Episode 33: One On One Talk With Bro. Jason DeMars From Present Truth Ministries

Episode Transcript:

[00:00:00] Luis Urrego: [00:00:00] Welcome everybody! We thank you for joining us today on this live broadcast of the Ten Thousand Worlds live stream. We certainly welcome you and we greet you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is an honor and a privilege to have you here listening to us, or watching us, eventually this will be turned into a podcast.

[00:00:20] So those who will be listening to us later, we also welcome you in the name of the Lord, Jesus Christ and we just thank you for taking a little opportunity to, to, hear, this live stream today or watch this live stream today. We have here today, a good friend of mine and, precious brother, brother, Jason DeMars, brother,  Jason DeMars.

[00:00:39]And he’s from Beaufort. He lives in Beaufort, South Carolina. And he’s a associate minister at Bethel Tabernacle there in Beaufort South Carolina, which is the church, if you know, brother Jason Watkins, he is the pastor there. And he’s one of the ministers there at that church as well. And he is also a missionary. Done mission quite a few [00:01:00] years of mission work overseas, especially in the middle East.

[00:01:03] And so it is a privilege to have brother Jason with us, brother, Jason, if you want to greet the, the people.

[00:01:08] Jason DeMars: [00:01:08] Thank you, brother Luis. Appreciate you having me on and greetings to everyone. May God bless you. Just trust that the Lord would use this to further your walk with Him and, that’ll be a blessing to you.

[00:01:21] So thank you again, brother Luis.

[00:01:23] Luis Urrego: [00:01:23] Yeah, I’m sure it’ll be a, it’ll be a blessing. Brother Jason, he’s a, he’s more of a, of a, of a T his ministry is more of a teaching type ministry. So you might have seen him around maybe in your Facebook. Facebook stream somewhere and, and brother Jason, he, he does a good job.

[00:01:40] It has also put out, quite a few, several books as well, with some, teachings, as well. And, Which we can go over those, later. But,  brother Jason, we, I, I met brother Jason back in, around, I guess maybe it was around 2003. We didn’t meet personally, [00:02:00] but we met, it was online.

[00:02:01] And at that time I was running a, a website and a radio little online radio broadcast. Some of you may know it, it was a Eagle cry radio and, And at that time, brother, Jason, I got acquainted with brother Jason there during the time. If you, if, if the, if you people may remember, it was when the whole thing regarding brother Yusef, not our economy was, was taking place there in Iran.

[00:02:28] And so do you remember that brother, but the Jason

[00:02:31] Jason DeMars: [00:02:31] most definitely. Most definitely. I think it was in, he was arrested in 2009. And so then he was held in prison, I believe until September of 2012. So I’m sure it’s somewhere in between that time, maybe 2010, 2011, that we got in contact

[00:02:50] Luis Urrego: [00:02:50] that’s that’s right.

[00:02:52] I don’t know what I was saying. 2003.

[00:02:54] Jason DeMars: [00:02:54] Yeah.

[00:02:56] Luis Urrego: [00:02:56] Yeah. That was in three when I started the radio broadcast. Yes.

[00:03:00] [00:03:00] Jason DeMars: [00:03:00] Yes. And so then, yeah, we. We had come into contact then and brother Yusef was in prison and we were doing, I was doing all kinds of advocacy work and spreading the word to message to believers, to be praying and getting the word to, the ACLJ and different, Christian persecution groups that could help him on that.

[00:03:20] And so it was, it was, Crazy time, crazy time. But it was, it was, I’m just thankful that the Lord delivered him from, from that death sentence that he was under.

[00:03:30] Luis Urrego: [00:03:30] Amen. And it was, it was something that was, very big. the news, not just amongst the, are believers, of the message of the hour, but also it hit the mainstream as well.

[00:03:42] Jason DeMars: [00:03:42] Yeah. It was very interesting. Cause I was invited to kind of a, a secret Iranian ministry, kind of a conference in, in near Washington, DC. And while that was happening, Yousef’s, [00:04:00] appeal trial was happening. And so I couldn’t really go to sleep. Because I was getting the news. I was kind of the source of the news for the United States, Canada and the world.

[00:04:14] And so the, the brother who was giving me the news was sitting in the courtroom. Or right outside the courtroom, I should say, getting all the information about what was happening inside the courtroom, sending it to me. And before the courtroom was being dismissed, this news was going to Fox news, CNN, and even going to the white house.

[00:04:39] And, when I was there, I had gotten a. Contacted by the, the office of the Obama’s secretary, press secretary, and said, can you please look at this press release that we’re putting out and just verify that everything is accurate. And I’m like, Oh, wow. Okay. Sure. [00:05:00] Someone from the state department then contacted me and said, the press secretary is about to go alive.

[00:05:05] And he’s going to, he’s going to speak about, Yusef nanaconnie to the, to, to the world. And the president is president is working on this and many other people in the administration are. So it was, it was an interesting time and just by, not by coincidence, but, humanly speaking by coincidence, I was right there outside of Washington, DC at one of those conferences.

[00:05:32] So the people that, I, some of the people I was reporting that to, that were spreading it to the world. We’re right there with me while it was happening. And wow. Well, the judge I were getting so off topic, but that’s all right.

[00:05:45] Luis Urrego: [00:05:45] No, it’s okay. That’s

[00:05:46] Jason DeMars: [00:05:46] okay. The judge in the courtroom in Iran made the statement, who is the source of all this news before we dismiss the court, the news is on it’s on Fox [00:06:00] news and CNN.

[00:06:01] How is it possible?

[00:06:04] Luis Urrego: [00:06:04] Wow.

[00:06:07] Jason DeMars: [00:06:07] Interesting.

[00:06:07] Luis Urrego: [00:06:07] As, as incredible. And, well, let me ask you this first for the people who, who may, who may be wondering, cause I was wondering how, how did that, how did for the use of how did that, case turnout?

[00:06:21] Jason DeMars: [00:06:21] Yeah, so they, they didn’t announce his verdict until I’m going to say.

[00:06:27] It was probably four or five months later, more pressure got put on them. And they announced it verdict that he would be, guilty of evangelizing Muslims instead of a pasta. And so they send it, sentenced him to three years in prison, which he had been in prison for three years. So he just got released.

[00:06:47]and so that was big news and that got on all the major news places. And, and, I was actually in Turkey at the time working with, Iranian churches. So it was kind of [00:07:00] at a big celebration and rejoicing when we saw him get out and hug his wife and. And his sons, it was a huge blessing to be able to experience that, man.

[00:07:12] Luis Urrego: [00:07:12] Amen. It just seems like it happened just yesterday.

[00:07:15] Jason DeMars: [00:07:15] So

[00:07:15] Luis Urrego: [00:07:15] yeah. Time goes by

[00:07:17] Jason DeMars: [00:07:17] yeah. Eight years ago.

[00:07:19] Luis Urrego: [00:07:19] Yeah. Now brother Jason, before we continue, which that event was really what, I guess kind of. helped, yes. Start started in directing you in the ministry that you later started working with her in the middle East.

[00:07:35] But can you tell us a little bit before we get to that? Can you just tell us a little bit about yourself and maybe share with us your testimony of how you came to the Lord and then we’d go from there?

[00:07:46] Jason DeMars: [00:07:46] Yeah, no, I, so I, I’m 43 years old. I was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and lived there up until September of 2019.

[00:08:00] [00:08:00] And my, my parents are there and my wife’s family is all there. w I grew up in a Lutheran church. it’s the church my mom went to and my grandmother went to grandfather, and it was just kind of a community church. We knew everyone and everyone knew us. My dad was the president of the church and my mom was the Sunday school superintendent.

[00:08:24] And my mom also attended Bible study fellowship. So, she’s a person that was it. Was, and is still very serious about the Bible. And she definitely, passed that onto me. I believe she feels that she had a real born again, experience in 1977, the year that I was born. Where or else where she really rededicated her faith and put her trust in the Lord and, and was stopped smoking and things like that, and just had a hunger for the word.

[00:08:59] And, [00:09:00] she, she tells me that she remembers sitting in her rocking chair, laying her hands on her stomach and saying, Lord, I, I dedicate this, baby. To you for your service, take him and use him for your purposes. I give him back to you like Hannah, Hannah prayed. And, so growing up, our family was very involved in sports in the community of Columbia Heights, Minnesota.

[00:09:27]my dad was, coaching all the youth teams and my brother is 11 years older than me. He played basketball and he was all state. Basketball player went on to play in college and he’s still, a head coach, very successful head coach for a high school in Minnesota. And so our family was very much sports oriented and that’s, that’s kinda where I went into.

[00:09:54] And that was my. Pretty much my everything in life was playing [00:10:00] basketball, baseball, and football. It was a nonstop year around. There was no break, no stop. And I loved it that way. Hmm, my dad, I think my dad coached me in pretty much in three sports. So a lot of time, a lot of time and good close relationship and friendship with my dad.

[00:10:19] And, but through all this time, we went to church and I came up to, my ninth grade. Year where you go through confirmation in the Lutheran church and in the confirmation class, I, they continually bothered the, teacher saying, why are we focused on Martin Luther’s words? Can’t we focus on scripture?

[00:10:42] Why do we always want to talk about Luther Luther, Luther isn’t about Christ and something struck that lady when, when. We finished the confirmation class. and she agreed with me. She said, I agree, but we’re loose. We’re in the Lutheran church. So we go through the Lutheran catechism, but the only point of the Lutheran [00:11:00] catechism should point us to the Bible is what she said.

[00:11:02] And I said, okay, that’s fine. But she, she said, she told my parents, I don’t know why I’m saying this, but when you’re, when Jason grows up, he’s going to be a pastor. And I heard her and I was just like, there’s no way I would ever want to be that.

[00:11:18] Luis Urrego: [00:11:18] Who said that

[00:11:19] Jason DeMars: [00:11:19] the lady who, who was the teacher of the catechism class.

[00:11:24] Oh yeah. And so, at this point in time, I wasn’t. I definitely was. I believed, but I, I didn’t really have a personal faith. then something happened in the church where the homosexuality movement and the liberal movement started to come come about and it caused my mom and dad to have to make a stand in the church and resigned from their positions in the church.

[00:11:48] And we went to a little nondenominational Baptist church, not nondenominational, like community Baptist church in. Roseville, Minnesota, [00:12:00] grace, grace fellowship is what it was called. And we went there for a number of years. it was there that, around when, when I was a senior in high school, I was getting recruited to play basketball and football and so lots of different.

[00:12:16] Private schools, division three schools were recruiting me. So they asked me to come play for them. And one of the schools that was after me, it was a Baptist school called Bethel college at the time now called Bethel university. And they were recruiting me and my mom and dad were recommending. I go there, there, and I was in the stage in life where any recommendations from mom and dad were to be.

[00:12:40] Crumpled up and thrown into the garbage and, and, you know, just that bad attitude of a, of a teenager. And, but as I was going to make a decision to go to another yeah. college, it was like, I was sitting in my room and I heard a voice say you’re going to Bethel college. And all I [00:13:00] can say it was, it was like a, an iron pan.

[00:13:02] It was written on my soul. So immediately I picked up the phone. I didn’t consult with anyone, picked up the phone and called the coach and said, I’m coming there. And so went and told my parents and they bought, fell out of their chair. Wow. Why’d you choose that? And I was just like, I don’t know, that’s the right place to go.

[00:13:22] And, I went there and at the, at that point in time in my life was probably a low point. I was partying and smoking marijuana and drinking and, and, not living right at all. And at the same time was also under conviction. Cause my mom was always praying for me that when I would do things wrong that I would get caught and that my heart would be convicted.

[00:13:44] So, to college and it was a Christian college, but the same kind of thing happened. You can find bad apples anywhere you go. Bad influences anywhere you go. So I ended up there, finding people to party with, and I did. [00:14:00] and then in

[00:14:02] Luis Urrego: [00:14:02] similar experience that I had

[00:14:04] Jason DeMars: [00:14:04] Oh, interesting.

[00:14:06] Luis Urrego: [00:14:06] Supposedly I, you know, it was a Christian school and that’s actually where I got worse.

[00:14:12] Jason DeMars: [00:14:12] Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it was, bad influences that I found and I gave bad influences to other people probably too. But, then I, yeah. the circumstances aligned where I ended up quitting basketball and quitting football. I completely lost any love for basketball. I don’t know why I can’t explain it.

[00:14:33] And then football, I, I was a quarterback and the coach was wanting to switch me to another position and I was just stubborn and said, no, I’m not playing another position. I’ve always been a quarterback and I’ll continue to be a quarterback console. He said, okay, well, okay. It was nice having you on the team.

[00:14:50] So, he wasn’t giving me an option. I wasn’t giving him an option, so I hung up the cleats, so to speak and stopped playing football. And so I was kind of, [00:15:00] you know, in transition in life, cause I’d always been playing sports constantly. So I started playing intermural basketball and I met some young guys.

[00:15:10] Their father was a Presbyterian. A pastor and not from a liberal Presbyterian church, but from a conservative one that believed in Calvinism and just, they were always talking about predestination with each other and trying to involve me in the conversation, even though I didn’t know what they’re talking about.

[00:15:28] And they would ask me, we would go up to Buffalo, wild wings, every Tuesday. Just to hang out and eat the 10 cent wings or whatever they were at the time. And, they would talk theology with me and they would always ask me, cause I just didn’t listen. Or what do you think? Do you believe in this? Do you believe?

[00:15:47] I said, well, you quoted scripture, so it’s gotta be right. Like, Oh, wow. Why are you? If you believe the Bible, then why are you living the way you’re living? I don’t know. I know it’s not right, but I’ll get right. [00:16:00] Eventually now I’m just having some fun and there’s three or four or five months that they would do this.

[00:16:06] And we would talk about that. And, you know, I think I had the standpoint of, I needed to get my life. Right. And then I would serve God. And so these, these guys were like, what are you talking about? What scripture is that from, you know, get your life right. And then serve God. You’re, you’re dead in sin and trespasses.

[00:16:27] You have to be justified by faith alone. All you have to do is put your trust in Christ. You don’t have to do anything else. And they kept, they would kept saying those different things to me, and it was getting next to me. and I remember after a long time, but one time. On the way home after that, I just, in my heart, I just said, Lord, I,

[00:16:53] I want to live for you. And it was, it was just in that instant, all the weight of guilt and [00:17:00] sin and. Everything was just gone. And my desire was completely changed. I had a lot of sanctions vacation that needed to happen and did happen over the next few years there’s and still happening. But, you know, the, the, the Lord completely changed me there and put such a hunger for the word in my heart that immediately I felt a calling.

[00:17:24] To a ministry. And so I changed my major, from, business to philosophy and philosophy and word more aligned so that I could. Finish the major and take some theological courses and prepare for going to seminary. So I was doing that and around that same time, I’m those same friends who really led me to the Lord, also introduced me to a guy and they said, well, he’s got some strange theology, but maybe we can, straighten them out on it.

[00:17:55] So we, we talked with him for awhile and he began to explain, [00:18:00] the. The sermon, the seed is not air with the shock that, you know, the there’s a, you love the reformation, but there’s a purpose for the reformation. The seed goes in the ground and thought comes up. That’s Luther, the tassel grows that’s Wesley.

[00:18:13] The shock comes that’s the restoration of the gift, but then it comes back to the re has to come back to the original seed. Yeah. All of these things, these truths have to be gathered together for the true church to receive. Right. The actual restoration of the faith and it was shocking to me. So where where’d you learn this?

[00:18:31] You said from a man named William Branam. I said, okay, interesting. I never heard of him before. Where is he? Is he a re reformed or is he a Baptist or what is he? No, he’s not from a denomination. If you have any of his sermons, I’d love to listen. So he gave me and 900 ones at the end time and I listened to that and it was, it was the things he was, it was undeniable to me, even as a, a theologian.

[00:18:55] It was undeniable and shocking, but you [00:19:00] know, it was explaining exactly what was happening. Here’s a man speaking in 1965, explaining what’s exactly happening in the year, 1999. Amongst Christianity in Christendom around the world. It shocked me. It blew my mind. It was answering questions that I had from theology classes that the professors couldn’t answer.

[00:19:22] And so it was shocking to me and I felt like, well, you know, this is a good. Thing to add to my doctrine that I’ll teach to my church when I become a pastor. And, as time went on and I fed on the message more, I realized why I can’t go to seminary and, to make a long story short, started preaching, in the local church there, I believe in the year 2000, In Hopkins, Minnesota.

[00:19:49] Luis Urrego: [00:19:49] How old were you at the time brother? Jason?

[00:19:51]Jason DeMars: [00:19:51] I was 22. Okay.

[00:19:55] Luis Urrego: [00:19:55] So, so you were around maybe 20, 20, one years old when the Lord started dealing [00:20:00] with you?

[00:20:00] Jason DeMars: [00:20:00] 21, when the Lord started dealing with me. Yeah. And it wasn’t, it wasn’t more than a year until the message came to me and I, except that I didn’t, I didn’t accept it outright, but after a few months of, after starting to read the church ages book about three months late after hearing the anointed ones at the end time, that’s when I realized I needed to make a step and get rebaptized and, and, you know, do something different, started going to the church there, in, in Hopkins and so forth.

[00:20:27] So yeah. Yep. 2000. You can go ahead

[00:20:31] Luis Urrego: [00:20:31] and sorry. And this was without, this was just you on your own without your parents, having heard message, right?

[00:20:38] Jason DeMars: [00:20:38] Yeah. They had not heard the message. No, Nope, no. They had not heard it. And it was, it was one of those things where I was very concerned. It was a cult. And so were they.

[00:20:51] And so I was very mindful of that, but I just kept searching everything by the scriptures. I just was so hungry. I read, I read everything I could [00:21:00] from brother Branam and I took it back to the Bible and I would read through the, I mean, I’d read through the whole new Testament, just real fast, searching out a certain thing that brother Branham said.

[00:21:09] And maybe if it’s something that I was troubled about or, or so forth. And I remember it just kind of came to a head, One evening in my mind, I’m just, I just felt like I was just, I, I w what I, what I realized I was, I was under attack from the enemy and I was so confused in my mind, and I just went to my room and I said, okay, I’m I’m then I need to solve this.

[00:21:31] I said, I got on my face. I said, Lord, I don’t want to follow the cult. I don’t want to follow a false prophet. I read that I should pray for revelation. So I’m praying now, Lord, would you reveal the truth to me? If I’m walking in the right way, would you just make it clear to me I’m walking in the right way and take away this fear and worry and doubt.

[00:21:57] And I remember [00:22:00] having my face down in my, in my hands laying, laying face first on the bed. My knees on the ground. And all of a sudden I heard come into the room and I immediately looked at the window. Thinking my goodness has a big breeze of wind and the window was completely still. It wasn’t even Mo or the, not the window, the, yeah, the shades completely still.

[00:22:25] And I knew that my window was open, just like a crack like that. And I continued to look at it and I was, as I was looking at it, I felt a wind passed by my back. And when the wind hit me, it was like, I broke out in goosebumps and instantaneous fear. And I put my face, buried my face in the, in the, bed.

[00:22:48] Add a nice little hole. Thank you, father. Thank you, father. And it was that it was that tremendous feeling of reverence. It wasn’t a Pentecostal rejoicing. It was a [00:23:00] tremendous feeling of there’s a being in this room that created, literally created the universe and, and, I was completely still, but when I got up from praying, it was like the fear, the worry, all those things were gone. I was just humbly convinced that God was guiding my life. Amen. And, and he, he. He had had up to that point and he’s still doing by his grace.

[00:23:37] Luis Urrego: [00:23:37] Amen. Amen. So how, how, how soon after that, that, cause you’re, you’re married and, you have three, three daughters now, right?

[00:23:48] How soon after that marriage came into picture and

[00:23:51] Jason DeMars: [00:23:51] yeah, it wasn’t long after that, that, I started talking to. my wife, Amy, and [00:24:00] he’s, she’s also the, the daughter of my pastor at the time, rather Don Hoffman. And, we started dating and I think she was probably even 17 years old at the time I was 22 and, She graduated high school and then went and finished.

[00:24:17]got a, like a diploma. And, we were married in 2003. So 2018,

[00:24:29] Luis Urrego: [00:24:29] 1920, 21, 22. It’s just, you are you’re five years older than her?

[00:24:33] Jason DeMars: [00:24:33] Yes, sir.

[00:24:34] Luis Urrego: [00:24:34] Okay. All right.

[00:24:36] Jason DeMars: [00:24:36] Just actually just like my dad and

[00:24:37] Luis Urrego: [00:24:37] mom. Alright. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, sister, she’s a, she’s a very, very nice sister to be around with. Barry has a good sense of humor.

[00:24:48] We really enjoyed it. A few months back. We were there with, with brother Jason and his family. And it was the first time I got to meet brother, Jason and person, if I’m not mistaken. Yes. And [00:25:00] also of course it’s his wife and his daughters. And, we just really had a good time.

[00:25:05] Jason DeMars: [00:25:05] We did have a good time.

[00:25:06] Yeah.

[00:25:07] Luis Urrego: [00:25:07] I’ve connected with brother Jason, since where I met since I met him before. But, but we really just. Really connected and just had a good time. So it was really fun. that’s all awesome, brother, Jason, that the, that the Lord, started dealing with you? yes, obviously you had to go through some, some things, some, some, some worldly, musings, I guess you could say.

[00:25:28]but, it was wasn’t, it was until, there. You were really convicted in your heart that you didn’t need to be a good person in order to start serving God, you didn’t need to do good works in order to start serving God that when you really, when you really started really serving the Lord. So that, that, that being, growing up in the Lutheran church, did that have an influence on that?

[00:25:53] Because I, I grew up as Catholic, at what portion of my life. And of course, it’s, it’s all about doing good works and stuff like that. So

[00:26:00] [00:26:00] Jason DeMars: [00:26:00] I think it was my own misunderstanding because I mean, if you go through the catechism, it lasts that idea to smithereens. I think it was just, I wasn’t hearing what was being said in the course, the preachers were preaching, just a watered down nonsense over the pulpit at the Lutheran church.

[00:26:21] Yeah. You know, I was hearing the gospel from people and I was hearing the gospel from the catechism of the Lutheran church. It’s there, it’s clear. It’s just my misunderstanding. And it’s kind of like, you know, you made a mess, you got to fix it and then you can move on. Right. That was the misconception I had in my mind for, for years.

[00:26:45]Like clean up your mess, buddy. And then you can walk with God. And it’s like, until those young men were like, told me, Hey, you’re you, you can’t clean up your mess. You’re incapable of it. Your dad, [00:27:00] you can’t make yourself alive. Christ died to make you a lie. If he died the quick and knew from the dead, I believe.

[00:27:10] Amen.

[00:27:10] Luis Urrego: [00:27:10] Amen.

[00:27:11] Jason DeMars: [00:27:11] So that’s, that’s really the place that, when they started talking about along those lines, I understood when they were talking about predestination and different things, it would Mark. It was a Marvel to me, but really when I understood there’s nothing you can do and nothing he wants from you other than.

[00:27:30] Put your faith in him. Amen. Yeah,

[00:27:33] Luis Urrego: [00:27:33] absolutely. And we’ll get back to that here in just a moment, for those who are, who are, just tuning in, we have, with us brother, Jason to Mars and he’s, associate minister they’re at Bethel tabernacle in Buford, South Carolina, and also, missionary overseas.

[00:27:49]More concentrating in the middle East. So, we’ll, we’ll discuss that just a little bit more, but we rather, Jason, you want to greet some of the, we want to greet some of the, the, [00:28:00] the brothers and the sisters that have sent greetings here, from different parts. Sister, my second cable or second vote.

[00:28:09] I believe she’s from Canada. If I’m not mistaken. So sister Maya, you can confirm that. But she said Shalom, my brothers and sisters enjoy the word in our Lord. Jesus Christ. May God richly bless you.

[00:28:18] Jason DeMars: [00:28:18] Bless us.

[00:28:20] Luis Urrego: [00:28:20] She’s very active. Every time I turn on a broadcast, she’s one of the first ones that, that comments.

[00:28:25] So bless you, sister. My, and we appreciate you being a listener and a viewer and, and just. Continuing to share the content with others, that they may be blessed as well. this is brother Samuel now Hedda, there in, in, in Buford as well. The PA pastors, not Hedda. Brother Lewis. God bless you.  Jason and two brother Jay.

[00:28:46] Well, God bless

[00:28:47] Jason DeMars: [00:28:47] you. Thank you brother, Sammy. God bless you.

[00:28:49] Luis Urrego: [00:28:49] Amen.   E

[00:28:55]brother Eddie . He’s a pastor in Costa Rica. He says greetings from Costa [00:29:00] Rica,

[00:29:02] Jason DeMars: [00:29:02] man,

[00:29:03] Luis Urrego: [00:29:03] man. They’re living. They got mano Eddie. God bless you.

[00:29:11] Jason DeMars: [00:29:11] amen.

[00:29:13] Luis Urrego: [00:29:13] So Lewis brother, Jason means greetings.

[00:29:16] Jason DeMars: [00:29:16] So Lewis

[00:29:18] Luis Urrego: [00:29:18] and a

[00:29:19] Jason DeMars: [00:29:19] nice.

[00:29:22] Luis Urrego: [00:29:22] I’m not sure if this is a sister or brother, but they say, Soludos you see? Soludos the  there’s the undo. This mini-strokes. God bless you from

[00:29:34] Jason DeMars: [00:29:34] Honduras. Nice.

[00:29:37] Luis Urrego: [00:29:37] Amen.  or

[00:29:45] praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. So brother, brother, Jason, let me ask you this before we continue. So do you, so do you regret any of the choices that you’ve made about serving the Lord?

[00:30:00] [00:30:00] Jason DeMars: [00:30:00] No. No. They’ve always, they’ve always been difficult decisions and they always, they haven’t always produced a peaceful.

[00:30:12] Life in that sense, outwardly. but I’ve never, I’ve never seen God fail in those circumstances where I’ve stepped out in faith and followed him when he’s called me. So no, no regrets. you know, Leaving leaving my, he called me to quit my job at Wells Fargo home mortgage.

[00:30:40] Luis Urrego: [00:30:40] Yeah. I wanted to talk about that.

[00:30:42] Jason DeMars: [00:30:42] Yeah, I hear that. That would be impossible. I’d never pay any bills or anything and he’s never failed. It’s been, it’s been over eight years now and he’s miraculously provided constantly beyond anything we could ask or think,

[00:30:59] Luis Urrego: [00:30:59] Because [00:31:00] that’s a very, that’s a very, I guess yeah, risky decision. If you’re looking at, if you’re looking at it in a carnal way, obviously if it’s God calling you, you know, you better do it.

[00:31:09] Cause that’s the best place to be. So what made, what led to that for you making that decision brother?

[00:31:15] Jason DeMars: [00:31:15] Yeah. Yeah, no, it was in, it was in, I started in 2009 and doing, doing the, started a website. I’d learned how to do some internet marketing for the sake of a network marketing business that I learned, and God was convicting me through the preaching of the word from my father-in-law and, The Lord said, use what you’ve learned for your, for yourself kingdom.

[00:31:41] And so I started the presence with ministries website and just do and teachings and articles and videos, and just in the infant days of social. So media, back when you could put out a video and lots of people would watch it. And he didn’t even have to pay for that to happen. And it didn’t get [00:32:00] hidden by YouTube and everybody else.

[00:32:02] So it was a different world than what we have today, but, because that I’ve got, I got many, many contexts around the world, Africa, Asia, South America, Philippines, and then the middle East always had it in my heart to, For missions to help people who really aren’t being represented or helped much.

[00:32:25] And so I got in contact with this particular brother that was living in, Istanbul. He was an Iranian brother, said we have churches in Turkey and there’s believers in Iran. And so immediately I thought, okay, how many translations do you have? And can we work together and find a way that the Lord would provide.

[00:32:43] A translator on your end and the finances to pay a full time translator on our end. And the Lord worked all that out. I don’t know. No, it was one of those things. I had no plan. I had no backing. The Lord just provided for that. And that was [00:33:00] 2009, then 2011 or 2009, right away that minister invited me to a trip Turkey right away.

[00:33:09] And I completely reject affected the ideas. And it’s too dangerous. It’s an Islamic country. I’ll never go there. And, but the Lord was working on me trying to get me to surrender to that. And then in, in February of 2011, I went for the first time, brought my wife, Amy with me and my father in law. And mother-in-law they came in with and we ministered in several churches there and make a long story short.

[00:33:35] After going there realizing I just took my whole vacation for the year from Wells Fargo and that I wanted to go back back. The Lord started dealing with me. Well, quit your job. I’ll provide for you. And, you know, I knew my church. Couldn’t. meet that need for me. And, I didn’t have a promise from anywhere else.

[00:33:55] So it was, it was a year and a half about a year, about a year before I could [00:34:00] really surrender for what the Lord was asking me to do. And, Three things happen simultaneously in our, in the same way, week one was on a Sunday, we were having a service testimony, service, and, Islamic community in Minneapolis.

[00:34:15] And the young man said when the Lord calls you and sends you on a mission, he promises to provide for you. So when, but the problem is you don’t trust him. He doesn’t know anything that’s going on in my life. And he says, you know, If your boss sends you on a business trip, you know that your F your costs will be taken care of your hotel, your travel, your food, all will be taken care of.

[00:34:44] And you just go because you trust your boss, but when God sends you, you don’t trust him. And as he’s saying, this tears are coming down my face and knowing he’s the Holy spirit speaking directly to me. And so I just go, Oh, my. Wow. [00:35:00] So these things are rolling through my mind. Wednesday rolls around whether Greg shorts in Minneapolis is preaching the service.

[00:35:07] And he he’s saying he’s, these things are in my mind, I’m barely paying attention to this service. I’m so thunder struck by what happened on Sunday and okay, Lord, you’re telling me, want me to quit my job? How is it possible? How can I have a family? And he says, then God calls you to do something. The preacher, I, God calls you to do something.

[00:35:27] And. You say, but what about my family? Don’t, you know, that God can provide for your family. And I go, Oh, well, it’s hard because I don’t have health insurance. What about retirement? What about my future? He says, and you say, well, what about my future? Don’t you know, that God has complete control and can provide for your future as well.

[00:35:52] And I just, Oh, what? He doesn’t know anything about this. So after service I’m on my face. Oh [00:36:00] Lord, I’ll do it. But this is risky. This is how can I do it? So the next day, One of the brothers in church sends out to the group, email a quote from brother banner. And he says, you know, when, when, when God told Joshua to attack the mountain, whether it was giants, people from the outside could look and say, that’s risky.

[00:36:23] That’s dangerous. That’s, that’s foolish. And he said, that’s reckless. I said, the thing of it was, is once Joshua had the word of the Lord, he could be reckless. And I was, I remember reading it on my phone. In the, in my car at a break from work, I just took the phone. I just laughed. I was like, Sarah, I laughed.

[00:36:47] I tossed the phone into the, the passenger seat. And I said, okay, Lord, it’s obvious what you’re telling me to do. This is hard for me. Show me what, how to do it. And so [00:37:00] it wasn’t until a few months later than I. Was able to put my time in, after talking through and praying with my wife. And, she had more faith in than I did the whole time.

[00:37:12] She was like, I know you’re going to, I, I knew you were going to be, as soon as you started doing missionary work, I knew you would and be full time. And I was just like, okay, but I mean, how are we going to pay the bills? He just asked us to trust him. Okay.

[00:37:29] Luis Urrego: [00:37:29] What was your wife saying that right around?

[00:37:32] Jason DeMars: [00:37:32] That’s what she said this time was saying to me, this is interesting. Wow. Just trust him. We don’t have to figure it out. And so yeah, the Lord provided miraculous ways ever since then. And, yeah, it’s been since August, 2012 now. So

[00:37:51] Luis Urrego: [00:37:51] that right there, brother Jason, regarding your wife, there’s, you know, you can apply exactly what brother Brandon said when God calls a man.

[00:37:59] He [00:38:00] also calls his wife and his wife, is in full support of it as well. And so,

[00:38:06] Jason DeMars: [00:38:06] yeah, definitely. I mean, too, there’s the, there’s the encouragement factor. Cause your wife can either. Tear you down, tear your faith down, or she can be a person of encouragement and she knows you inside and out. And she, you just have to say a few words and immediately, if she’s a godly woman, did you pray about that?

[00:38:28] No. Then before you make a decision, I would pray, you know, time and time again. You know, the Lord has used my wife to incur and to, to help me. And it’s right. When he calls a man, he calls a woman we’ve had, we’ve had a lot of hard times, very, very difficult times, lot of tears and heartbreak and hurts, but the Lord has delivered us out of them all.

[00:38:56] And, and, you know, we’re closer than we’ve ever been. [00:39:00] No.

[00:39:00] Luis Urrego: [00:39:00] Amen. Amen. That is wonderful brother, Jason. And how God does this. And, and. And how he puts you in situations that, you know, humanly thinking, it seems like it’s impossible, but I remember that little story that brother Brandon would tell about the, the young man who felt led to be called to Africa and the, in the pastor hour, he, or whoever he was talking to, he said, you’re not going to be safe there.

[00:39:26] You’re not you’re, you know what, if you get eaten by a lion or something like that, he said, if I don’t go, I mean, Yeah. If God’s calling me there, I know that that’s, I’m going to be safer there than if I stayed, that stayed back. So,

[00:39:38] Jason DeMars: [00:39:38] yep,

[00:39:38] Luis Urrego: [00:39:38] absolutely, totally contrary to the way we, we, as normal humans, you know, we reason things out, but God’s ways are always perfect and he always makes a way as you have seen in your life.

[00:39:50] So that’s wonderful brother, Jason. So brother Jason. Now, can you tell us a little bit now regarding the, ministry of what’s going on there? [00:40:00] through, through a TPM, there in, in, in the middle East and in Turkey. And is there other countries that you’re involved in as well? Turkey, Turkey,

[00:40:08] Jason DeMars: [00:40:08] yeah, Turkey.

[00:40:10]and through Turkey, we’re involved in Iran, the

[00:40:15] Luis Urrego: [00:40:15] PTM present truth management.

[00:40:17] Jason DeMars: [00:40:17] No. That’s all right. so yeah, Turkey and then through Turkey, we’re involved with Iran and then, also in Egypt as well. so we’ve been doing that. I think I’ve been to the middle East 23 different times now. And we’re working with a team of brothers in Turkey.

[00:40:34]People that I’ve been working with now since 2000 late, 2012, brother Petros or Peter for proton he’s in, he’s in Germany. Now he was directed there as a refugee. he was in prison for just a little under a year. In Iran because of his ministry there. And when he got out, he realized he didn’t have any, couldn’t have a life they’re moving forward.

[00:40:58] So we went to Turkey [00:41:00] and, we, he, yeah, it was instrumental in starting some of the churches that we’re working with there. And then through the refugee process, he got directed to, Germany and also the original tree translator that I was working with was brother Nehemiah. and he is now living in Canada was directed there.

[00:41:19]both of them travel back to Turkey where the brother up Peter being in Germany is able to do it much more frequently by the Nehemiah. It does it a few times every year. And then we’re working with a few pastors inside of Turkey. Okay. Several churches and believers in a number of cities throughout Turkey.

[00:41:40] And those are all Iranian refugees that we’re working with. So, and then also the, the Iranian brothers started a ministry. do you have doing, and they’ve been introducing the message and every, the possible [00:42:00] subject and topic they’re on those videos and those have been going. two Iranians around the world, but especially inside out of Iran.

[00:42:08] And so that’s had a big effect there, as well as the translations that we’ve been doing of brother Branam by, via internet. Those have been going into inside of Iran as well. and in, two years ago I started doing so that would be a 2007 teen, I believe, or no. 2018, I started going to Egypt, working with a pastor there and a church there.

[00:42:37] And we’d been working on, just some basic translations to start. We did the church book first, and then we did, through the, the, Supernatural series there to introduce the messenger to them. So, yes, sir.

[00:42:53] Luis Urrego: [00:42:53] Nice. And let me ask you this. When you started working with the, with the brothers and sisters in the middle East, how was the, [00:43:00] how was the environment of the message?

[00:43:02]and was it well-received or were there already a lot of believers there or, or how was the environment there?

[00:43:10]Jason DeMars: [00:43:10] also with, with the Iranians, there had been people in the message that were receiving the message back into the early two thousands. there was, a couple bro, brothers who are half Iranian, half Congolese, and they were born in the Congo.

[00:43:35] And that when they went back to Iran, they had been, they had received a message in, in the Congo. And so they brought it there to Iran and started to witness to people in the assemblies of God church, in the city of Russia, Iran in Northern Iran, on the, the, the, the, wow. I forget the name of it.

[00:43:58] The sea there [00:44:00] in the North of Iran it’ll come to me eventually, but they started started introducing the message to people there and just lots of supernatural things started happening and people started receiving the message and then they started bringing their doctrine in their church order. And it was kind of not according to what brother Branam taught.

[00:44:19] And so there was a lot of misunder, the standings and things, and they were messaged believers, but in a very, very. A basic format that, that didn’t really acknowledge a lot of what we would treasure ourselves as being the reality of the message. And, yeah. Yeah, just, a lot of the people, the minister, the, you know, the ministers.

[00:44:43] Senior ministers. So to speak would probably know about them, those things, but the average believer would know nothing about Luke 1730 would know, almost know nothing about serpent’s seed would almost know nothing about it. Revelation 10, the seals being opened, you know, those things were completely [00:45:00] unheard of untalked about not known.

[00:45:02] And then even what was talked about was from a totally different. Perspective, not according to what brother Brandon taught. And, so when I first started coming, it was kind of a confrontation, you know, they really didn’t have teach much modesty or holiness there. the way they did teach was just kind of using a, you know, You should do this.

[00:45:24] You should do that. You should not do this. You should not do that. They never really taught it from the scripture. Most of the people. So it was all, it was all like a spirit of rebellion against it. And we went there and immediately saw the problem and started preaching against it. And everybody was rebelling against what we were saying, arguing fighting.

[00:45:42] And we’re just like, do you even believe the prophet? Here’s a quote, here’s a quote. Oh brother. Brandon can make mistakes. Brother. Brandon was full of errors. That was there. That was what they were taught. So it was a start. It was a very difficult because other than one or two [00:46:00] people. They didn’t really understand what it meant.

[00:46:05] That brother Brandon was a vindicated prophet. It’s very difficult. So that was a long process to get them just to respect what brother Branam sad. yeah, they respected his name, but they didn’t respect what he taught. They respected what YWAM and Frank taught.

[00:46:24] Luis Urrego: [00:46:24] Interesting

[00:46:25] Jason DeMars: [00:46:25] and what their pastor, taught to them, but not what brother Banham taught.

[00:46:29]

[00:46:29] Luis Urrego: [00:46:29] Okay.

[00:46:31] Jason DeMars: [00:46:31] That was, that was a difficult atmosphere. And it took my first trip. It caused a separation cause I was preaching the message and it caused the separation of that group went one way and just two ministers. Decided to follow the message. And from there, we started churches in four or five different cities and, and baptized hundreds of hundreds of new believers there throughout the, throughout the country and just started from scratch [00:47:00] really.

[00:47:00]and, it was the best at the time. It was very difficult, but it was the best thing that happened. Cause the, you know, the word brings when you preach the word. You let the word do the work. I didn’t want to separate anybody or separate believers, but when you preach the word, it’s going to bring, Jesus said it was going to bring separation.

[00:47:20] So, yeah. And that happened and it was difficult. And, but. Now it’s to the point where the ministers are, they’re teaching vindication to the people they’re teaching, the importance of, of putting a confidence in the vindicated word that brother Branam taught. And so it’s, it’s a blessing to see they’re handing out church ages, books, they’re, able to search the message on the message hub.

[00:47:49] In their own language. So it’s just, the Lord has done tremendous things with those believers. They’re very thankful for that. Yeah.

[00:47:58] Luis Urrego: [00:47:58] Now how many [00:48:00] regarding message books or message or messages, how many messages do you think are, have already been translated into their languages?

[00:48:08] Jason DeMars: [00:48:08] Yeah, so, there’s been, I think, 56 in total church agent’s book and the, Trich agents book and supernatural series have both been translated and then most, not all, but quite a number of the major sermons from 63 to 65 and a few from before that have been translated.

[00:48:31]rather Nehemiah’s working on translating, the seven seals. So Lord willing that will be done in the next year or so, or several probably by the end of the year, Lord willing. And, I’m trying to think of a few of my books have been translated, so that’s kind of a resource that has quotes and scripture and, Some of the history and Greek and so forth, so that [00:49:00] it’s a resource for ministers to be able to use, to teach the message from.

[00:49:05] So, yeah.

[00:49:06] Luis Urrego: [00:49:06] And then, yeah, and those, those, those books are our blessing and we’ll, we’ll let the viewers know where they can, make, obtain these books, and a website. Just a little bit later. So brother Jason Day only have 56 messages hurtle and translated my goodness. And do they, do they just, do they, do they take the attitude that they share?

[00:49:29] What they, what they have

[00:49:31] Jason DeMars: [00:49:31] very much, so very much. So they want more, they’re striving for more. thankfully there’s constant communication. So, and then brother Nehemiah speaks very good English and is able to. refer to that. And another one of their pastors speaks English. So, even though maybe not everybody has access to the message in their language, a number of pastors and, have access to that.

[00:49:56] Cause they speak have learned English or they speak [00:50:00] English very well. And so they can search search, in the table and get access to everything. So

[00:50:06] Luis Urrego: [00:50:06] yeah. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Just only 56 messages. And so, and when there’s, over 1100 messages there and yeah, we have we’re all on our phones and on our tablets and on our computers, we have them, even the shelf books on the shelf, they’re just collected dust and we, and we don’t even read them.

[00:50:26] And it should it put us a shame, put us to shame. huh. And w we’ll get, I’m going to ask you brother Jason, in a moment, regarding, maybe, maybe people can support that, that, that work. But I wanted to, I wanted to share the, the, the, Sorry. My mind went blank just

[00:50:43] Jason DeMars: [00:50:43] now.

[00:50:46] Luis Urrego: [00:50:46] Do you want to just, just greet some of the people here that, that there have been sending greetings to your brother, Jason and a brother, brother, Patrick, John Lavetta.

[00:50:54] He says, God, bless you, brothers. Please include our church in your prayers. I believe brother Patrick. He’s in the [00:51:00] Philippines. I’m not mistaken. So I bless you, brother. Patrick. It’s good to have you here. watching and hopefully something has said that will bless you and a spark, a fire in you, sister, Rebecca

[00:51:12] She’s a Shalom from Fort worth, Texas. So I.

[00:51:22] familiar. but the Benjamin seven of there, Los bendiga Albuquerque, Albuquerque, New Mexico.

[00:51:30] Jason DeMars: [00:51:30] God bless you, brother. Benjamin.

[00:51:32] Luis Urrego: [00:51:32] Amen. Amen.

[00:51:37] amen sister. My says again, a man, God is true to his word. God keeps his promises. I believe she’s referring to when you took the, the, left your job. Yes. Brother, sister, Eddie, or brother Eddie Quadros Soludos does the Columbia greetings from Columbia?

[00:51:57] Jason DeMars: [00:51:57] I bless you, brother. Eddie,

[00:51:58] Luis Urrego: [00:51:58] my home country.

[00:52:01] [00:52:00] Jason DeMars: [00:52:01] So,

[00:52:02] Luis Urrego: [00:52:02] so Louis mano, eh, 11 Degas.

[00:52:09] sister, Rebecca Portea says again. Well, wow. Praise the Lord God’s ways are perfect. Amazing. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen brother. Leto solo. He’s from the Philippines. God bless you. Brother Lewis in Greece, brother. Jason. God bless your ministry. We’ll pray for brother Lewis and brother Jason.

[00:52:25] Jason DeMars: [00:52:25] Thank you. God bless you, brother Lido.

[00:52:27] Luis Urrego: [00:52:27] Okay. Amen brother. Lethal. God bless you. It’s good to have you here with us and we’re certainly praying for your ministry as well, brother Leto. You don’t know brother Jason . He is very, very instrumental in missions there in the Philippines. And, eh, as far as in doing the, helping brother Royal Serrano with the mystery expos there, and he’s brought Manny.

[00:52:50] Pastors ministers, baptizing, almost whole churches and different, different, islands there in the Philippines. So you pray for this brother because [00:53:00] he’s got a very odd using him in a mighty way. So

[00:53:03] Jason DeMars: [00:53:03] God bless you.

[00:53:05] Luis Urrego: [00:53:05] God bless you, brother. Good to have you here with us brother, brother, Jason. yeah. So is, is, is there a way that the, that people can support?

[00:53:14] I mean, obviously, you know, prayer is the best is the best way. And, we know that, brother Branham said that. you know, Nope. We’re not going home until last seed comes in. See maybe that last seed has already been called. Maybe that, that seed, that word has been planted there already, but, but it has, it needs to come into fruition.

[00:53:36] Yeah. So, so, but, but you know, what can the people do or where can they go maybe to support the work that’s going on there in the middle East?

[00:53:45] Jason DeMars: [00:53:45] Yeah, I mean, You can go to my website. It’s a present truth. M N so that’s like the abbreviation for the state of Maine soda. M M as in Mary, N as in Nancy, [00:54:00] present truth, M n.com and just go, there’s a spot where it says give, and you can go there and there’s a spot where you can do that right online, or it also gives instructions for.

[00:54:12]sending, sending a check through the mail. However you want to do that, definitely is needed and appreciated. There’s there’s lots and lots of needs and, God, God always supplies the need and provides them, but we definitely appreciate that. And I’ll be going on a missions trip again, I’m leaving November 2nd and we’ll be in Turkey until the 13th.

[00:54:36] And so, if you want to help believers there, I know we’re going to try to do some help for the refugees of facing some difficulties and I’m putting together some care packages with rice and oil and, and meat and things for them. So, you know, if you want to get involved that way. Sure. It would be appreciated.

[00:54:56] Yeah.

[00:54:56] Luis Urrego: [00:54:56] That’s awesome. So that’s present truth. [00:55:00] M N M as in Mary and as in nancy.com, correct.

[00:55:04] Jason DeMars: [00:55:04] That’s right.

[00:55:05] Luis Urrego: [00:55:05] And, and those that are viewing us right now, and that men, those that will listen to the podcast, test this up. This podcast episode later, you can go there and you can, donate. whatever the Lord places on your heart.

[00:55:16] And if you can’t do that financially, I know brother, brother, Jason, and the saints they’re in the middle East, where would, they would definitely appreciate your prayers as a prayer changes things.

[00:55:27] Jason DeMars: [00:55:27] Yes.

[00:55:28] Luis Urrego: [00:55:28] And so, I believe that the work that, but brother Jason is doing there, is, Obviously it’s led by God, because here he hasn’t starved to death.

[00:55:38] Since he’s left Wells Fargo, he, he he’s he’s, he’s doing fine because the Lord has sustained him. God has kept his promise. And, and, and, and it’s because that worked there in the middle East needed to be done. You know, there’s. Many that are going, you know, to central America, South America, Philippines, Asia.

[00:55:58] But I [00:56:00] think a lot of work is still left to be done there in the middle East. What do you think about that, brother? Jason?

[00:56:06] Jason DeMars: [00:56:06] Yeah. I mean, middle East central Asia. It’s huge. You know, the we’re just, just. Tapping in to the Arabic, language now. And I mean, Arabic, I think is the fourth, most spoken language in the world.

[00:56:27] So I mean it’s and I think there’s maybe not even a dozen yeah. And messages translated into. Into Arabic. No.

[00:56:38] Luis Urrego: [00:56:38] So, wow.

[00:56:39] Jason DeMars: [00:56:39] Yeah. It’s, you know, we’ve got a lot of work to do in the middle East still.

[00:56:44] Luis Urrego: [00:56:44] Yeah. And there’s not that many people go in there, to those areas, correct?

[00:56:49] Jason DeMars: [00:56:49] Yup. Yup. Not, I mean, there’s, you’ll see, there’s a few brothers from, from Africa that are coming up to visit the churches there, but [00:57:00] there’s really not.

[00:57:03] There’s not extensive work happening, you know, across all across the middle East. I mean, we’re going to Egypt, but you’ve got a Lebanon Jordan, Saudi Arabia and all those other Arabian peninsula countries. you’ve got other, other North African countries that still speak Arabic. So I mean, it’s a huge amount of people.

[00:57:23] Luis Urrego: [00:57:23] Wow. Yeah, that’s a, that’s a, it’s a scary area. definitely, especially for a westerner to go. we, we know that Christianity is frowned upon, but you know, what saints and those who are viewing and listening, you know, those people there, they need the gospel just as much as you went, they do. Yeah. There’s

[00:57:46] Jason DeMars: [00:57:46] 2 million people that speak Arabic in the world and there’s probably just a handful of believers.

[00:57:57] Oh, wow.

[00:57:58] Luis Urrego: [00:57:58] Wow. How many [00:58:00] churches? Just in Turkey, brother, Jason. Cause I think Turkey is where you’ve been the most, correct?

[00:58:05] Jason DeMars: [00:58:05] Yeah. There’s a there’s. There’s three or four, there’s two that we’re working directly with. And then several that, several others there as well.

[00:58:16] Luis Urrego: [00:58:16] So in the whole country of Turkey, there’s only about 14 churches.

[00:58:19] Jason DeMars: [00:58:19] Yeah.

[00:58:20] Luis Urrego: [00:58:20] Yup. Yeah, my goodness.

[00:58:22] Jason DeMars: [00:58:22] But then there’s believers in, in quite a number of other. Cities as well, but they just tune in, in live stream services from other places. Yep.

[00:58:32] Luis Urrego: [00:58:32] Okay. Okay. Yep. Wow. That’s definitely a powerful and God is going to have his people and he’s going to use somebody. To get the gospel to those that are predestinated to hear the word and this are, and that’s wonderful that for Jason, we’re going to be praying for you, brother, Jason, regarding the, your trip that’s coming up.

[00:58:55]and again, if you, if you can, if you. Can donate to [00:59:00] his, to the ministry there and to the work that’s being done there again, you can go to present truth, mn.com, present truth, em, and.com. That’s present truth ministries, and there you can help donate, anything that God places on your heart. And it will definitely.

[00:59:17] Go to, towards the men, the ministry there in the middle East. Yeah. But the adjacent, I know that. And you’d mentioned it here just a moment ago regarding the books that, that some books that you’ve written. can you tell us a little bit about those and how maybe people can get, can get a hold of those if they wanted to?

[00:59:35] Jason DeMars: [00:59:35] Yeah. Yeah. there’s, there’s several of them. There’s, there’s one that goes into the wholeness and modesty and look through the scriptures and. And, history and demonstrates the truth of what brother Branam taught. And then, there’s also one, summarizing the seven seals. All of them really were originally written for Iranians to introduce the message to them.

[00:59:58] And then I thought, well, we’ll just make [01:00:00] them available as well. Tweak them a little bit for English speakers. And so they’re available also in. English. So there’s that. And then there’s a foundations one, which is really good for young people to go through with them, even as a devotional, introducing some of the basic teachings of the word of God to them, then there’s another one called NTI message handbook.

[01:00:22] And that’s just a, that’s a, a book that, It comes from, I think, five or six years. And I wrote something called the PTM contender, where I took two or three subjects every, every month and broke them down. Those reasons in the message. and that’s about a 600 page book. and then, there’s some tracks I wrote about the Godhead about water baptism, about serpent seed, about what is the message.

[01:00:49] And so all of them, I just had on my heart to make them all available for free. So if people want to get on, they can go to my website, Jason  dot com and you can order them [01:01:00] there. They’re free to order free for shipping and we’ll ship them as God provides for us anywhere around the world, if you’re listening.

[01:01:08] So.

[01:01:10] Luis Urrego: [01:01:10] Man. I got here a few of these, my brother, Jason, gave to me a few months ago and, just wanted to show you there’s this, holiness unto the Lord and, you can see it, it, it, it was a, it was a really good read for the Jason. thank you. And just help him bring in, you know, just kind of focusing on those specific scriptures and those specific quotes regarding, you know, Dress and a modesty, how we should conduct ourselves in that regard here.

[01:01:38] Here’s the one foundations, And also the summary of the, of the revelation of the seven seals. And, and this one right here, brother, Jason, this was Persia unveiled.

[01:01:52] Jason DeMars: [01:01:52] And,

[01:01:52] Luis Urrego: [01:01:52] I believe this is a documentary as well, right?

[01:01:55] Jason DeMars: [01:01:55] Yeah. It’s a documentary you can, yeah, it’s on YouTube. So if you look up Persia unveiled, [01:02:00] you should be able to find it there.

[01:02:02] Luis Urrego: [01:02:02] Persia failed. you can, and this is the, these are testimonies of the believers of Iran and the missions work in Turkey. So you can get more details there regarding the work that’s being done there in. In Turkey and Iran and in, in those areas. Yes. So yeah, you should take advantage of the ones, listen and take advantage.

[01:02:24] So that brother Jason’s given out this content for free and these books, I mean, these books are there. They’re nice quality. I mean, they’re, you know, they’re. They’re very, very nice. you know, you’re not getting anything cheap and, so definitely if you’d like to read, definitely I would definitely recommend them.

[01:02:42] And, I think you will be blessed by them brother. Jason has done a good work, a good job in, in those. And, all it is is just to bless the people and to just get the word out, get the word out. Because all of that, all of that, that you did back when you were in the world doing all your internet marketing, right.

[01:02:59] Things [01:03:00] like that, or the Jason, it’s now he’s using those, those tools and those resources for the work of the Lord. And I think that’s wonderful.

[01:03:08] Jason DeMars: [01:03:08] Thank you.

[01:03:08] Luis Urrego: [01:03:08] That’s wonderful brother. Jason can, we want to shift gears here. Do you still have some time

[01:03:14] Jason DeMars: [01:03:14] here with us?

[01:03:15] Luis Urrego: [01:03:15] Yep. Okay. Okay. All right. You’re not in a rush.

[01:03:19]hopefully not. wanted to shift some gears here, brother Jason, and maybe pick your thoughts on, on, on a few, biblical questions and some things. So, But I wanted to talk about regarding, first and foremost, I wanted to talk about regarding our, the day and hour that we live in and, you know, cause you know, we were living in very troubled time, great times and strange times to say the least.

[01:03:44] Yeah. and so lots of things have changed here in the past several months, but. What is it? Is it, what do you think brother, Jason, that the Lord is doing in this day and hour, you know, regarding the, you know, the bride of Christ and, [01:04:00] and, and what, what do you think that he’s, he’s trying to do to the believer us as believers right now in this hour?

[01:04:07] Jason DeMars: [01:04:07] Yeah, I mean, I think, I think you have to go back to false prophecy and Ephesians chapter four, you know, now that now that we have a restored gospel, And we have the full, full truth. The seals have been opened. The seven thunders have under their voices, restoring us back to the original faith through the seventh church age messenger.

[01:04:29] Now, you know, we’re in this condition, we’re in a new, we’re in a new phase. Really. We’re looking at this place where the church has coming into full maturity. Ephesians four, Paul talks about it. You gave some apostles and some prophets and some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, for what purpose?

[01:04:48] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the son of God unto a perfect [01:05:00] man unto the measure of the stature of the fullness. Of Christ. And so I think that’s what the Lord is doing is bringing us, so this place by this restored word, through the five fold ministry that we would come to unity.

[01:05:16] Of the faith of the revelation until we come to the knowledge of the son of God, unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. That’s what he’s working in us as individual believers, so that we as a whole come together two together to make that okay, Brian body, all of us expressing.

[01:05:38] The fullness of Jesus Christ in this hour. And so I think that’s what the Lord is bringing us in that condition so that we’re ready to go in the rapture.

[01:05:52] So

[01:05:54] Luis Urrego: [01:05:54] amen. What would you say, brother? Just some, some, can you hear me? Can you see it?

[01:05:58] Jason DeMars: [01:05:58] I can hear you. Yeah, it’s a little [01:06:00] you’re back. You’re

[01:06:01] Luis Urrego: [01:06:01] back. I think, I think my connection, this guy went away. For just a moment. that’s wonderful that you bring out the, there in Ephesians there, where they regarding the five fold ministry.

[01:06:12] And you know, that there’s a lot of controversy regarding that in this day and hour that we’re living in. And, some people say that they believe that scripture, but they was all fulfilled in brother Brandon.

[01:06:24] Jason DeMars: [01:06:24] And,

[01:06:24]Luis Urrego: [01:06:24] and so, and so what, what, what can you tell us regarding that? What do you think.

[01:06:30] Jason DeMars: [01:06:30] Yeah.

[01:06:30] Well, I mean, if, if that was true and I think would brother Branham would say that yeah. in his message, but that’s, that’s adding to the message, which brother Brandon said not to do that he never claimed to be the fulfillment of Ephesians chapter four. You know, you go through all of his messages and he, yeah.

[01:06:49] I mean, I’ll use this as a, just kind of a proof text. Just look at the end of brother Brandon’s message where he sermons, where he’s going and he’s, he’s, he’s [01:07:00] showing the people vindication. God’s going to vindicate this word and he says, it’s fulfilling Luke 1730. It’s fulfilling Malakai for it’s fulfilling revelation, 10, seven, He does.

[01:07:13] I have never seen him list fulfilling Ephesians four, the five fold ministry. So brother Branam, if, if brother Banham said it I’d believe it, but he doesn’t say it. So I don’t. And you know, according to the scripture, there’s multiple ministries here involved and, you know, yes, brother, Brandon was a part of that.

[01:07:38] But ultimately he gets the, he he’s, he brings the restoration message. He’s a part of that, but he’s, his ministry is more than that because it’s a foreigner, it’s Elijah ministry. He’s a proper, but he’s not merely, you know, one of the five, just one of the five fold ministry. He’s the he’s his ministry is Malakai for, to [01:08:00] restore us back so that the five fold ministry can do.

[01:08:04] The work that God ordained it to do here. And it’s not up to me. What I think about the scripture brother Branham said the bride, has they asked, will the bride have a ministry before the rapture? Yes, it’s going on now? And it consists of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. And he never, he never said it consists of me.

[01:08:31] And I’m an apostle prophet evangelist, pastor and teacher. No, he didn’t say that he was very clear. The bride will have a ministry. It’s the five fold ministry. he restored us back to the original faith. Although otherwise you have. God giving a message and then God losing any purpose, sense of purpose that doesn’t stop.

[01:08:53] God brother ran him off the scene because he wanted to cause he ordained it to be so, and we’re here [01:09:00] doing our best to stay faithful to what that messenger said. You know, that, that’s the thing that I feel like people are missing is what did he say in the church agent’s book where the final voice and the final age, but what does he say?

[01:09:15] Under our messenger and we’re in the final voice to the final page. And so that’s key whether you’re saying, well, it’s tapes only which, which scripture do you have for it? Which part of the message do you have to prove that you don’t have anything? You literally have nothing you have to make up. Added theology in order to prove that idea.

[01:09:42] And the next, the other part is then which they want to accuse us of is that we’re adding by, by preaching. We’re adding to the message. No, we’re pointing back to the scriptures, which was the prophet told us to do, take my message and break it down for the people and even [01:10:00] says make more sense to it.

[01:10:02] Luis Urrego: [01:10:02] Amen.

[01:10:02] Jason DeMars: [01:10:02] That’s right. And so we need to be obedient to what. The prophet said and not to our own ideas.

[01:10:10] Luis Urrego: [01:10:10] Absolutely. Brother, Jason, I fully agree with you because I believe. I believe that as the five fold ministry, you’re, you’re, you’re not to say your own thing or to have your own ideas. It’s to say what the message says to break it down to the people.

[01:10:29]because you know, you go, for example, let’s say the Philippines, you know what? You can tell them to go listen to the message, but a lot of them will say, well, I didn’t understand that. So at that, I didn’t understand what brother Branam says here. I don’t understand that you need somebody. They need somebody to sit down and break that to them.

[01:10:49] Yeah. And so, so that is where the scripture there in Ephesians four talks about a five fold ministry. Perfect. And now it’s not the man or the [01:11:00] faithful ministry within themselves, perfecting the people. It’s the Holy ghost. It’s the Holy ghost that perfects the people. What do you say about that brother?

[01:11:09] Jason DeMars: [01:11:09] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think, I think that’s, it’s, it’s hard to, it’s actually Christ, by the spirit perfecting us because, you know, we were just read Ephesians four 11, but, you know, you gotta go back. Verse seven says every one of us has given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

[01:11:30] So it’s the gift of Christ wherefore, right? Seth, when he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive and he gave gifts to men. Now that he ascended who, what is it? But that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth. He, that descended is the same, also that ascended up far above all the heavens that he might fill all things.

[01:11:50] And he. Gave some possibles and some prophets and some evangelists, some pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints. [01:12:00] So who gave it Christ? Who’s perfecting the saints Christ. How did he, what means did he choose to do it through earth and vessels? He’s using earthen vessels, but it’s him doing it?

[01:12:18] Yeah. It’s not a group of men. It’s not a group of men that comes together and we agree about this doctrine. And then it’s our group. And only that, no, it’s a mystical body.  of Christ. It’s not the four church doors. You know what we should be far beyond that brother Branam clearly makes that clear over and over time.

[01:12:41] Local church consists of three kinds of believers.

[01:12:49] Luis Urrego: [01:12:49] Brother Jason, your, your, mic cut off.

[01:12:56] We’ll wait here for brother Jason here, as if we were talking about, [01:13:00] regarding the, five fold ministry and the perfection of how there in Ephesians chapter four, how God gave some apostles profits. Evangelists teachers for the perfection of the saints for the edifying of the body of Christ. And so in.

[01:13:18] So we are not perfected through the, those man per se. Yeah. But it’s the Holy ghost through those man, which is, should be the same Holy ghost life you have that is affecting you as well. So because it’s that, that word life. Okay. Yeah. And those men should be in you. So brother, Jason is back here. Again with us, the battery go out, brother.

[01:13:44] Jason DeMars: [01:13:44] I’m talking for a long time here. So it’s wearing them out.

[01:13:49] Luis Urrego: [01:13:49] Yeah. So, yeah. I don’t know if you remember what you were last saying.

[01:13:54] Jason DeMars: [01:13:54] Yeah, no, I was just saying that, you know, we should be, we should have an understanding that it’s not the local [01:14:00] church. That’s the body of Christ. The local church is made up of three kinds of believers.

[01:14:07] Genuine believers make believers and unbelievers. Rather BAMS says every local church has made up that way. And so we’d like to think differently, but that’s what he said. And, but it’s a mystical body of Christ. That’s the body of Christ around the world. People that are. Filled and baptized with the Holy ghost.

[01:14:29] And that, that’s what we, you know, we need to understand that it’s, it’s Christ doing the work and every minister, the, the, the possible of the prophet evangelist, pastor, the teacher, he can’t get himself in the way. And we’ve seen that problem. And I think sometimes that’s why people are going tape only.

[01:14:46] And because they’ve seen false and they say, well, there’s false. So let me just avoid everything. No, you can’t. Throw the baby out with the bath water. You just throw the bath water out,

[01:14:58] Luis Urrego: [01:14:58] correct? Right,

[01:14:59] Jason DeMars: [01:14:59] right, [01:15:00] baby. Be thankful for the baby, but get rid of the dirty bath water. You know, and that’s, that’s what we all got brings us through those certain circumstances in those situations.

[01:15:11] But we got to stay in real scriptural balance.

[01:15:16] Luis Urrego: [01:15:16] Absolutely. One thing that we know as believers as Christians is that Satan loves in balance. He loves, and we know that the scripture says that God is not a God of confusion and. So you here, you have this group here. Say, when are we only stay with the tapes?

[01:15:35] We only stay with the tapes and eh,  and, you know, there’s, there’s that imbalance right there. And then you have here another, another group that are just leaving the message, you know, and it’s like, Nope. You know, preachers did us wrong and we can’t trust any minister. We can’t trust any preacher. And here’s the other, the tape.

[01:15:56] Only people saying we can’t trust any minister. We can’t trust him. Both are [01:16:00] saying almost the same thing. Wow. And it’s attack against the five full ministry, right. Is what is, and, which is. which is, which is, back on the word, because it’s not, not that we put that word in there, you know, as ministers or, but it’s got that place them in the word.

[01:16:20] I didn’t want to preach. Neither did brother Jason. I definitely, if I could get it, if I could have get out of it, you know, I wanted to go build a video games or be a DJ. You

[01:16:30] Jason DeMars: [01:16:30] know,

[01:16:32] Luis Urrego: [01:16:32] but here I am and doing mission work and things like that. And same thing with brother Jason, brother, Jason probably could be getting his retirement going there at Wells Fargo, go steal, but you see nothing, nothing.

[01:16:45] It’s what, it’s what God does and God. And so we better listen to what God tells us to do. Otherwise we’d be in trouble. What do you have to say about that? Jason.

[01:16:55] Jason DeMars: [01:16:55] Yeah, I think, I mean, I think the sovereignty of God is there, you know, with, with, [01:17:00] gifts and callings are without repentance. And so, you know, God doesn’t always find willing people.

[01:17:09] I, wasn’t not a willing person, but God made me willing. You know, created the circumstances to where, you know, I wasn’t listening to that. If I would have just been obedient the minute that the Lord said, quit your job and go full time admissions. I would have done it right away, but a year and a half, it took me a year and a half.

[01:17:31] And that was a lot of trouble. And, you know, I was going through depression and things were. Just in a bad circumstance because I was not listening. I was not obedient. And so he just created the circumstances that made me to be willing and he was gracious and he gave me three witnesses to say, you’re supposed to be full time.

[01:17:52]just speaking totally supernaturally to me. So God is gracious. I mean, I don’t look at it as you’re going to be in trouble, although that’s probably [01:18:00] true. But I look at it as God has to carry you through certain circumstances to make you ready to minister. And sometimes that’s your own stupidity butting your head against the wall.

[01:18:14] That was brother Branam. You know, he, he had to go and get, you know, disobey the Lord and follow those preachers in South Africa. You know, and he walked in the permissive will of God and, and the different things that happened that he didn’t listen to the Lord calling him to minister to those UPC churches.

[01:18:34]he was, more concerned about what is mother-in-law said. And so, you know, and yet all that was ordained of the Lord. To bring forth something beautiful. Right. And, I think God will, if God’s called you, you don’t have to fear about missing it. Cause he’s not gonna let you miss it. That’s just the way [01:19:00] I see it.

[01:19:00] I don’t see. Well, I missed it. I, I just, I never, I should have ministered and I didn’t, you know, no, I don’t believe that God, God, when God wants to do something, he’s going to do it. Absolutely. Even if the vessel’s not willing to do it, he’s gonna come in a pillar of fire and strike you off the horse on the ground and make you blind to put you in that ministry.

[01:19:22] So, I mean, I don’t think you’re going to escape. You’re not going to escape it. You can do it the easy way or you can go the hard way.

[01:19:28] Luis Urrego: [01:19:28] Yeah, absolutely. So, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. I agree with you brother, Jason, it’s not that you’re going to just, like you said, it’s not that, Oh, you missed the call and not know if God really called you.

[01:19:41] You’re going to, you’re going to heat to that call some way or another and a brother Jason there, given the example there, Paul, when he got called and, and mandated by, by God, Jesus Christ itself. And he had no choice, but to do what. What God was calling him to do.

[01:20:00] [01:19:59] Jason DeMars: [01:19:59] Yeah. And I think too, you know, I think about people’s circumstances in life and, you know, you have people that blew up their life because of bad choices.

[01:20:08] And I think always when we make a choice, make it according to the word. Make it with wisdom, make it slowly, you know, if we’re going to just go down outside of ministry, you know, people, their lives. Cause they marry the wrong person. People, people blow up their lives into a disaster because they get emotionally involved with some woman that’s not their wife and they commit adultery.

[01:20:33] You know, the thing is always make your decision. According to the word, not according to emotion, according to wisdom. You know, and sometimes that’s part of that’s part of God’s work with us is sometimes it takes us so long to make a choice for me, myself. It takes a long time to surrender to something the Lord is doing because I, and I, it’s not because I don’t trust the Lord it’s because I don’t trust myself.

[01:21:00] [01:21:00] Luis Urrego: [01:21:00] Right,

[01:21:00] Jason DeMars: [01:21:00] right. I don’t want to make the wrong decision. I don’t want to make an emotional decision. I don’t want to make a short term decision that blows everything up. I want to be sure this is God. Dealing with me and I’ll wait, you know, year, year and a half, two years to be sure of that. And God has his way.

[01:21:20] I mean, he’ll put his thumb on you and make sure that, you know, that’s him. Otherwise, if it’s not him, it’ll just, your desire will go away. It’ll pass away. Excuse me. It’ll pass away. And you’ll, you’ll not have that thing anymore, you know? And so I think if we’re talking about decisions, like. Marriage and school and work and those kinds of things.

[01:21:43] It’s just be patient and wait on the Lord. Don’t be in a rush. Make it according to the word. Not according to emotion and well, I think God spoke to me and just run into it. Oh, that’s you’ll know if God speaks to you. It’ll be according to scripture. Absolutely. [01:22:00] Absolutely.

[01:22:01] Luis Urrego: [01:22:01] Jason, but Jason would just want to quickly here just greet, just a few that have sent greetings here.

[01:22:08]Sister sister come Carmen SITA. Evasco she’s a Filipina sister, but lives in Canada. She says, God bless you brother. And I bless you, sister. Carmen. It’s good to have you here, ingredients to your family there in Canada and the Toronto area. Yeah. Also, Here’s one that we received, brother Jason, brother Ben humming.

[01:22:31] Sedna. I said again, he says it in Spanish. Let me see if I can interpret it for you. He says with your experience in the missionary field, the, you believe that it’s sufficient to only just read and listen to the tapes, to receive the Holy spirit, or do you need the five full ministry to instruct you?

[01:22:51] To take the people to a new birth.

[01:22:56] Jason DeMars: [01:22:56] Every S every circumstance is different. God will deal with [01:23:00] people through the messages, through the, through the tapes. It will deal with you through people. it doesn’t necessarily, we don’t have to be like, well, it’s through the, through the tapes only through the minister only.

[01:23:13] I mean, mine was both. But ultimately it was God dealing with me. It wasn’t about five fold ministry or, tapes only give you a chance to translate if you

[01:23:26] Luis Urrego: [01:23:26] mano Ben

[01:23:39] or solamente.

[01:23:45]or

[01:23:51] Jason DeMars: [01:23:51] Yeah, so I mean, I, I don’t know all the background to that question right there, but God, [01:24:00] God deals with us as individuals and he works through. Many different means.

[01:24:06] Luis Urrego: [01:24:06] Let’s see, does it?  wireless and  different than Moneta, but at red nose

[01:24:23] Sousa. I told us, does as causes per thread loan and the brother brothers, brother, Ben Hermien said okay. At Manor.

[01:24:34] Jason DeMars: [01:24:34] I bless you.

[01:24:36] Luis Urrego: [01:24:36] God bless you.  brother Jason. what, in, in your, what, what is regarding the question that the brother asks? What is the new birth and, and, and what, why is it important to have it?

[01:24:53] Jason DeMars: [01:24:53] Yeah, so the new birth, new birth comes from John chapter three. [01:25:00] Jesus. his brother Banham says his first major doctrine is about being born again, except a man be born of water and of the spirit. He cannot see the kingdom of God. And so this is, this is in response to. Nicodemus asking him questions and saying, we know you’re a teacher, that’s come from God because no one can do the works that you’ve done unless they be from God.

[01:25:27] And jesus’ response is very rarely a saying to you except a man be born again. He cannot see the kingdom of God. So, Basically he’s telling Nicodemus, you’re, you’re looking at it from a human standpoint. You’re seeing what we’re doing and what the Lord is doing through me. And you’re saying you must be a teacher.

[01:25:50] That’s come from God, but really you can’t see anything unless you’re born again, man. And so new [01:26:00] birth is a revelation. Of who Jesus Christ is. Amen. And so the kingdom of God is not in meat and drink, but right. Justness peace and joy in the Holy ghost. The kingdom of God is doesn’t come with observation, but the kingdom of God is within you or is in your midst.

[01:26:25] And so the foundation of the kingdom of God is Jesus Christ. And the foundational revelation of that kingdom, that church, that bride is the revelation that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living. God. So it is a revelation to you personally, of who Jesus Christ is not just 2000 years ago, but today present tense and that new birth in you produces his life.

[01:27:00] [01:27:00] That’s right. You know, I think you go and read Christ as the mystery of God revealed the sermon brother, Bannon talks clearly about that says the new birth is the revelation of Jesus Christ. How do you know you’re born again? The same life that was in Jesus Christ is on display through you.

[01:27:22] Luis Urrego: [01:27:22] Amen. Yeah, that’s what I, that’s what I was going to get to is that, you know, for the, Jason’s not making that up where the brand said that what is the new birth is the revelation of Jesus Christ personally, to you

[01:27:36] Jason DeMars: [01:27:36] personally,

[01:27:37] Luis Urrego: [01:27:37] however God does that.

[01:27:39] Whether it’s through a message or whether through scripture or whether through preaching, it’s when God quickens that word that you’ve heard. Yep. You man. And, and, and, and brings it to life. And then, and, and there’s no denying that you can’t, there’s no way for you to go back then. And it’s his life in you, living [01:28:00] after that.

[01:28:01] Jason DeMars: [01:28:01] Amen. Amen. Absolutely.

[01:28:04] Luis Urrego: [01:28:04] Remember brother Jason. That’s wonderful. Do you feel that the, that you feel that then. The new birth is, is not preached enough in this, our day that we live in or, or is it something that people think, Oh, well, I’ve already heard that, you know, but for me as a believer, I love hearing about the new birth because in actuality, the new birth is really a process.

[01:28:27] It it’s, it’s a process that you just don’t get at once and that’s it, it’s a process for you all, even all the way up through the body change. What, what do you think that,

[01:28:37] Jason DeMars: [01:28:37] yeah. I think, you know, I think people mentioned about the new birth a lot and the baptism of the Holy ghost, you know, they’re the same, they’re the same event in our lives.

[01:28:46] Just spoken about in different ways. Hmm. People mentioned about it a lot. I think what’s missing is, you know, preaching about why is it needed, the young people, [01:29:00] a lot of times they grow up, you grow up in the message and you almost can’t even identify the difference. You know, I think some of my, family members in Minnesota and there, there’s no question that there.

[01:29:15] Born again, but they could never go back to a day and say, well, it was this day because they grew up in a mess in, you know, message home. I grew up listening to the message. They grew up coming to church, but at some point in time, it went from going to church to having a living relative, but Jesus Christ and they can’t literally put their finger on.

[01:29:35] This is exactly when it was. They just know that they’re not what they used to be. Right, but they’re completely different. And so like for me, I it’s so drastic. I can go and say, you know, this is the time that it happened for them, for people that grew up in the message. I think it’s sometimes is harder to discern that because they’re pretty good kids [01:30:00] altogether.

[01:30:00] Now, scripturally speaking, of course, we understand that there’s no one righteous. No, not one. There’s none that good does good. There’s none that seeks after God. And so I think, I think what’s not, what’s not preached about is enough is why do we need the new birth? What, what is the importance of, how is faith related to that?

[01:30:24] How do we, identify. The experience of the new birth. So, I mean, in that sense, I think it would be good for us all to continually. That should be, somewhere in a sermon almost every time. I feel like. You know, cause it’s so critical to, to all of us and to, to, to recenter us and make us realize, Hey, you’re not really that great of a person.

[01:30:52] It’s not, you. It’s got his hand on your lap. If he’s working, he’s moving, you’re a sinner. Yeah. , that’s [01:31:00] what you were born. As God changed you. He transformed you and now you’re a Saint, but not because you worked yourself in it because you’re good because you dress better. It’s because he put his life in.

[01:31:12] You made you to want those things.

[01:31:16] Luis Urrego: [01:31:16] That’s

[01:31:17] Jason DeMars: [01:31:17] I love to preach the new birth in that sense, in that way.

[01:31:21] Luis Urrego: [01:31:21] Absolutely. Jason, you know, when Jesus was talking there to Nicodemus about the new birth there and you can read it in John chapter three, when you read there in John chapter, there are three verse eight Jesus, all of a sudden starts talking to Nicodemus regarding about the wind.

[01:31:37] That he says, he says in verse seven, he says, Marvel, not that I said, unto thee, he must be born again. And then, and then he says the wind blow with where it lists his endow hears the sound thereof, but can not tell once it cometh and whether it goes with, and then he says this, so is everyone that is born of the spirit.

[01:31:57] So this is, this is rectifying [01:32:00] what brother? Jason just said it just a moment ago that sometimes. You could explain, you could have the new birth and you really can’t really explain how it happened in your life. You see, Jesus says this, the youth, you feel the wind and, you know, the wind blows in and you hear the sound of it, but sometimes you cannot tell where it comes.

[01:32:23] Jason DeMars: [01:32:23] Or where and where it goes,

[01:32:25] Luis Urrego: [01:32:25] or it goes so, so he says, so is everyone that is born of the spirit. And so that is, that is the new birth is something that you really, you know, that it has. And you feel you, you even, sometimes you feel the effects of it. but you don’t know how it happened,

[01:32:41] Jason DeMars: [01:32:41] but one thing for sure, brother,

[01:32:44] Luis Urrego: [01:32:44] Jason, and, You correct me if I’m wrong.

[01:32:46] One thing for sure. Nobody has never received a new birth unless they have heard the word of God first.

[01:32:54] Jason DeMars: [01:32:54] That correct? Yeah, you can’t. There’s no way have you seen, received the [01:33:00] Holy ghost since you believed?

[01:33:02] Luis Urrego: [01:33:02] Amen.

[01:33:03] Jason DeMars: [01:33:03] Amen. So it’s here. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Absolutely.

[01:33:10] Absolutely. There’s no faith without the word coming first,

[01:33:14] Luis Urrego: [01:33:14] the word Jesus said, my words are spirit and they are life. And so if they, if, if, if you don’t his word, then that life, you know, and, and, and not just receiving it. Yeah. Because you can have, have it mentally here. And if it doesn’t, if it’s not revealed to you.

[01:33:33] Then it’s not remember the new birth is a revelation personally, to you, you think brother Jason, that a lot of people in this day have a mental knowledge of the message, and not an actual revelation of the message.

[01:33:48] Jason DeMars: [01:33:48] Yeah. I mean, you see that as evidence that preachers that have been preaching the message for 30 years, turn around and leave it and, and, and live.

[01:33:58]ungodly [01:34:00] lives now. So I mean, you, you understand that there’s a difference between having, knowing about God, I preached this a few Wednesdays ago. so it’s interesting. You’re asking me now there’s a difference between knowing about God and knowing God.

[01:34:19] Luis Urrego: [01:34:19] Amen.

[01:34:20] Jason DeMars: [01:34:20] You know, you can, you can study the Bible, you can study the message, you can preach the Godhead flawlessly.

[01:34:27] You know, you can think about brother, the brother from Lima that’s since left. The message now is well, nevermind, but it’s not living the word anymore. And, It’s it’s so sad to see, but he preached the doctrine of the message for many years and went off in some ways. But, for many years, just flawlessly, absolutely fall asleep.

[01:34:53] And, he knew about God. He knew about the message, but he didn’t know the [01:35:00] author of the message.

[01:35:01] Luis Urrego: [01:35:01] Right. Even felt chills and maybe even had experiences

[01:35:08] Jason DeMars: [01:35:08] many, many experiences, and that’s not, it’s not good enough. It needs to be knowing him personally, what this is, life eternal, that they might know the, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom now is sent John 17 three.

[01:35:22] It isn’t knowing about God. You know, there’s this tendency in us when we have a motivation to know about a subject. especially about the theology. Let’s, we’ll just put it that way, that we become hard and proud in ourselves because we look out and say, well, I’m seeking this high knowledge. Why is so and so not?

[01:35:47] Seeking this knowledge. And so, and so is not seeking this knowledge. Well, I’m a, I’m better than they are. And I think sometimes we have a tendency in the message to be that way. You study study, study, study, [01:36:00] study, study, look at this subject, look at this subject. And all of that results is that you’re looking down on other people, you know, about a topic, but you don’t know God, you know?

[01:36:12] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:36:18] Luis Urrego: [01:36:18] I’m sorry, you were going to say something.

[01:36:19] Jason DeMars: [01:36:19] I was just going to say first Corinthians 13 says that it is possible to know all mysteries and have all knowledge yet without love. I am nothing. And so there has to be that love relationship where the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy ghost.

[01:36:38] Without that it’s just hardness hardness of heart. This is what it produces.

[01:36:43] Luis Urrego: [01:36:43] Amen. Hey man, absolutely brother Jason. And that’s very key that you hit that too, because you could just be, you can, you can just be full of knowledge, full of knowledge full of you can really, you can understand the, the, the, the Bible [01:37:00] and, and the mysteries that brother Brandon preached mentally.

[01:37:05] You can anybody can the, you know, maybe a drunk out in the street could maybe even explain to you what the church age is are, or how their original sin was. That has nothing to do with you having the new birth. Yeah, it’s a personal, personal again, as where the brand was said in the message, Christ, mr.

[01:37:24] God revealed, it’s a, it’s a personal revelation of Jesus personally, to you that causes you to change and it causes you to have that love that brother. Jason was just now talking about, Shed abroad in your heart. And when you have God in your life, God is love. It’ll definitely make you change from the, from the inside out.

[01:37:48] And, brother Jason. And we have, we have, can you, can you spare 15 more minutes with us? Sure.

[01:37:54] Jason DeMars: [01:37:54] Yeah.

[01:37:56] Luis Urrego: [01:37:56] Thank you. Thank you so much. Cause I mean, it’s just getting good. Yeah.

[01:38:02] [01:38:00] But, but, I’ll make sure not to keep you so much longer. but I mean, going back to going back to that regarding, you know, the love that people have, you know, or even lacking that love, you know, what are, what are some of the things that, that, that you see that, that. In your life that you’ve seen that hinder believers from moving on with their walk, with Jesus Christ in this, in this hour.

[01:38:30]Jason DeMars: [01:38:30] I mean, it could be so many different things, but I think sometimes the biggest hindrance is when you. The group, the group mentality. I’m a part of this group of churches, or I’m a part of this church. I love my pastor. I love this. And you have the group mentality that you’re a part of this particular group.

[01:38:57] Therefore I I’m making it.

[01:38:59]Luis Urrego: [01:38:59] you [01:39:00] hit something in the nail right there.

[01:39:02] Jason DeMars: [01:39:02] I feel sorry for people because. It’s so easy to go to such a, basic common denominator, but, that’s not what walking with God is about. That’s not what this message is about. You know, it’s, it’s an individual walk and it’s a rugged walk.

[01:39:22]you know, it. Just because you’re identified with a certain minister in a certain group. Doesn’t mean you’re in that doesn’t mean you’re born again. It doesn’t mean you just cause you right. Recognize, you know, A great, wonderful brother, like brother, Donnie Reagan, as a wonderful minister. And you consider him your pastor or you’re listening to his services, or your pastor is a good friend with brother Donnie or brother Tim, or whatever group you might be involved with.

[01:39:53]that’s just denominational thinking and, and, You know, it’s, I feel [01:40:00] like it’s in a way, the white horse riding rider, riding through people’s minds, you know, a bluff, a bowl with no arrows, you know, this is the, put your, put your trust in the group that you’re a part of. And then you’re in. But again, I think brother Banham exposes that over and over and over again.

[01:40:21] He’s why he rips wide open Brandon tabernacle and says. To them, you know, I go to Brandon tabernacle. I don’t mean anything. That’s right. Don’t mean anything I say, I believe the message just means you can read. He says

[01:40:38] Luis Urrego: [01:40:38] sure. He said that.

[01:40:40] Jason DeMars: [01:40:40] And so, you know, some of these, that’s a, that’s a great hindrance to people getting on fire because they become comfortable with their fellowship and they don’t say, okay, I want to see.

[01:40:55] The way God wants me to see, I want to live the way God wants me to live. I don’t [01:41:00] want to, just to conform to the reality of my local church, right? Because you’re not going in as a member of the local church, you’re going in as a spirit filled believer in Jesus Christ. So that, to me, that to me, is a great hindrance to people being on fire for God.

[01:41:22] Luis Urrego: [01:41:22] A member of the Jason brother, Jason hits something rare. Very key. And that’s that, that, that group mentality and, and the reason why, the reason why it’s, it’s a hindrance to you as a believer, if you say, well, my pastor, he preaches the word and you know, and you get so comfortable in that atmosphere because your, your, your pastor preaches the word.

[01:41:46] Maybe he’s very well known and. And, you know, it feels that you feel like that he he’s unstoppable when can’t make mistakes. And then what happens if that pasture gets off the word? And because you’ve placed [01:42:00] so much confidence that you don’t even study the word yourself.

[01:42:05] Jason DeMars: [01:42:05] Yeah. You don’t

[01:42:06] Luis Urrego: [01:42:06] study the word yourself.

[01:42:08]you could, you could fall into deception and not even know it now. Now, you know, this is not. We’re not here trying to slam any pastors or anything like that. That’s not our purpose. It’s just, this is an individual walk and you can’t, you can’t put such confidence that, you know, well, my pastor preaches the word.

[01:42:29] That means, you know, I get the word every Sunday, every Wednesday, or whenever you have church service that you don’t even have time. You don’t, you don’t even. Get in the word yourself. So then you don’t know if that pastor may be saying something that is afterward because you don’t get in the word yourself.

[01:42:44] You see?

[01:42:44] Jason DeMars: [01:42:44] Yeah. Even if he’s completely on the word you might mean totally misunderstanding and believing a false doctrine based on your fault, wrong understanding of what he’s saying. Yeah.

[01:42:55] Luis Urrego: [01:42:55] You

[01:42:56] Jason DeMars: [01:42:56] have to take the word, you have to search it by the scriptures, by the [01:43:00] message. And you have to be sure about what it is, even if you, even if beyond a shadow of a doubt, you know that preacher’s right.

[01:43:08] You still need the same process of, okay. You said this. Where is that in the message? Where is that? In scripture. Okay. U S you know, and a good, a good pastor will take the time and ask, answer those questions. But, you know, ultimately it doesn’t even that part doesn’t even matter. It’s about you. Are you? My, my, pastor asked me this when I first came to the message.

[01:43:31] Cause I had thousands of questions for him every day. Email, phone, call everything. Finally, he just says, Jason, do you want to be a man of God or a man of men? Well, of course, I want to be a man of God. Then stop asking a man questions and start asking God questions and getting the answers to your questions from God.

[01:43:56] I said, Oh, okay. Thank [01:44:00] you. I started studying and I started going through the message and I started praying over those things and just. Deeply agonizing in my spirit. Some things that took years and years and years to get the revelation of what it was on it, but that’s okay. God wants to lead you. He wants to guide you.

[01:44:19] He wants to teach you as an individual. And you know, really, if you understand scripture correctly, ministers are just a tool in God’s hands for your growth spiritually. They’re, they’re not on a pedestal for you to stand up and follow. They’re just a tool. I think, Paul talks about that if I can find it, in first Corinthians.

[01:44:49] Luis Urrego: [01:44:49] Yeah, as per the, Jason’s looking, looking for that, you know, the, the, the most humble minister, the, the greatest minister that has ever lived in [01:45:00] this, in this, on this earth was our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

[01:45:06] Jason DeMars: [01:45:06] Okay.

[01:45:06] Luis Urrego: [01:45:06] He got down on his knees to wash something dirty. Feet . So when a minister gets to that point where he feels like everybody owes him something, you know, or you need, when you’re around me, you need, there’s certain respects that you need to give me or something like that.

[01:45:25] Yeah. That’s, that’s something that you have to watch.

[01:45:29] Jason DeMars: [01:45:29] That’s dangerous. Yep. So, yeah. So first Corinthians chapter three, Verse three. He says for you are yet carnal for, whereas there is among you envy and strife and divisions. Are you not carnal and walk as men for while one sayeth I am of Paul and another.

[01:45:46] I am Apollos. Are you not carnal? Who then is Paul and who is Apollos, but ministers, this word means servants. By whom you believed [01:46:00] even as the Lord gave to every man, I have planted Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that plants anything neither that he, that water earth, but God that giveth.

[01:46:16] The increase.

[01:46:17] Luis Urrego: [01:46:17] Amen.

[01:46:18] Jason DeMars: [01:46:18] Amen. And so, you know, now he, that plants and he, that waters are one and every man shall receive his own reward, according to his own labor. But it’s, you know, we’re nothing, ministers are nothing. That’s literally what the scripture says. You are nothing

[01:46:37] Luis Urrego: [01:46:37] right. I mean, even the word minister means one that serves

[01:46:41] Jason DeMars: [01:46:41] one that serves

[01:46:42] Luis Urrego: [01:46:42] reality church.

[01:46:44] The one that’s greater. Really it’s the congregation.

[01:46:48] Jason DeMars: [01:46:48] Yep. God is the master, right? He’s the owner of the field. And you’re the seed in the field. Paul planted the [01:47:00] seed, Apollos, watered the seeds. What are those? What who did that in those days? Slaves,

[01:47:11] slaves in it. So they understood. Oh, he’s nothing. It’s just a slave. It’s literally a slave. Hmm. Serving what me. Ultimately he’s serving God the master, but for what purpose for me, the fruit that the master wants to receive. Right. And so, you know, literally everything is dedicated to the growth of that person.

[01:47:36] So what, what am I here for? What are you there for? What are, what his brother, Donny brother, Tim brother, Jason, the different ones are the Ron, what are they there for? They’re not anything. Is simply a tool in God’s hand, hand, his toolbox to your further, your betterment. And we have to see it [01:48:00] that way.

[01:48:00] We have to understand it, that we have to live that way. This minister is a tool for me to grow.

[01:48:05] Luis Urrego: [01:48:05] That’s right. Absolutely. Wonderful, wonderful brother, Jason, that’s nothing, nothing but the truth. And, as a, one of the sisters here says and said here, one of the comments, you know, the greatest, you know, minister that I ever lived, Was yes was brother Brandon, but of course we know it was actually Jesus Christ.

[01:48:26] And you could, I mean, brother Branam, it was a great man used by God and such and such humility. And definitely he’s on top of the list there. And he was great because he, he made himself so humble, you know, and it wasn’t, it wasn’t by him. You know, trying to get ahead or in front of somebody. Yeah. See, it was letting that let somebody else get in front of him.

[01:48:54] Jason DeMars: [01:48:54] And

[01:48:56] Luis Urrego: [01:48:56] that I believe is, called minister. And [01:49:00] because I think if Jesus says something, you know, let, let others is, you know, Make you great, you know, that you want to, but you know what I’m saying? You, you, you become low and then later, you know, somebody else can, can, can say something about you or something about you.

[01:49:18] You know what I’m trying to say? Right.

[01:49:19] Jason DeMars: [01:49:19] Absolutely. Yeah. I forgot what scripture

[01:49:21] Luis Urrego: [01:49:21] that was. I think he was talking to reference, referring to taking the best seats in the synagogue or something on that line. He said, no, you just take the lowest seat and then let somebody else say, no, you come over here and sit, you know?

[01:49:36] So I think that’s, that’s so key and not just for a minister. But also for, for that, that is something for anybody, you know, any believer to take that type of, attitude. And I believe that it will help you. People are looking for things like that. People want to see that type of attitude in people’s lives.

[01:49:57] Jason DeMars: [01:49:57] Yep. Yeah. We’ve been set free that we would by [01:50:00] love serve one another.

[01:50:03] Luis Urrego: [01:50:03] Amen serve one another. And, and how, how wonderful that is to do in this hour, brother. Jason, I really, just before we finish here, I want to just greet some of the, some of the, people here that sent some comments.

[01:50:20] Jason DeMars: [01:50:20] I

[01:50:20] Luis Urrego: [01:50:20] mean, it’s just.

[01:50:22] Our sister ma she’s just saying amen. Amen. And God. And that’s so true. And, and, all kinds of things just you’re my God bless you. And,

[01:50:32] Jason DeMars: [01:50:32] amen.

[01:50:34] Luis Urrego: [01:50:34] She was just really enjoying our last few, brother lethal solo Rosalita solo says amen. That’s that’s true, brother. Jason. Amen. And, not exactly sure what point he sent that in, but, and then.

[01:50:46] Brother brother, June. Iscara he’s from the field, a pastor from the Philippines as well. He says, God bless you all there.

[01:50:53] Jason DeMars: [01:50:53] And thank you, God bless you.

[01:50:56] Luis Urrego: [01:50:56] God bless you, brother, June. Good to have you here with us. Amen. [01:51:00] So. Again, I appreciate, each and every one of you tuning in and listening to, brother Jason’s testimony and also what God is doing in his life and through, through the ministry that, that God has, placed upon his heart.

[01:51:14] And, again, brother Jason, how can people, how can people, connect with

[01:51:19] Jason DeMars: [01:51:19] yeah. well, you know, you can connect just through my website. Present truth, M n.com or th that’s, that’s my missions, website or through the teaching website, which is Jason  dot com. And that’s where you can get the free, free materials, the books, and, tracks there and so free shipping free books.

[01:51:44] And, also. I do, a daily, podcast asked in the morning, live at 7:30 AM. Eastern time. People can tune in there Monday through Friday. Amen.

[01:51:57] Luis Urrego: [01:51:57] Amen. I’m scrolling the, the, the little, [01:52:00] the little, the website addresses right there below that’s presence. M n.com. And that’s where you can donate to the ministry there in the middle East there.

[01:52:14] And a brother Jason said that, I think next month, he’s going to be taking a trip over there. And so, pray for him and yeah. If you’re in a full course, you can’t, you can’t donate the OB. Definitely pray for our brother as a, as he’s sharing the word there in of course, Jason, the mars.com and there you can find, These books that are we, we talked about earlier, his books that he has written and a wonderful books, and high quality as well.

[01:52:42] They’re very, they’re just not any old cheap, cheap books. They’re really good quality. And, I, I suggested if you could get him, get him there, he’s giving them out for free shit, shipping them out for free. So he’s definitely a. I’m giving you service, they’re doing something good for you. [01:53:00] So I’d take advantage of that brother.

[01:53:02] Jason, do you have any last words to say before we, we, we end our broadcast. I really appreciate you being here with us. I wish we had more time to do talk about the word. And you know, when, when you’re talking about the word to me, it gets good. Or in gooder and gooder, his brother Brandon said.

[01:53:18] Jason DeMars: [01:53:18] Yeah, it does.

[01:53:20] No, just thank you so much for the Louise for this opportunity. I enjoyed the fellowship and the time together and just, just remind everybody to read your Bible and pray every day. Listen to listen to the message, feed on the word and, and do everything you can to keep your eyes open and, and serve others.

[01:53:41] Luis Urrego: [01:53:41] Amen. Amen. Definitely some, some wise words there, just so in other words, do the things that, that are so hard for us to do as Christians there, they seem to be easy, but yet there are two hardest things to do. Read your Bible and pray every day. And that’s what brother Branham [01:54:00] said that how are we going to grow?

[01:54:02] It’s read your Bible and pray every day. So are the Jason well, greetings to your wife? And, let me, the meat, I’m gonna finish the broadcast here. I’m going to end the broadcast, but just stay on and then I’ll go. We’ll finish it on the other side. again, Again, brothers and sisters, the website there is present truth, mn.com.

[01:54:21] Again, I’ll I’ll, I’ll have this on the, on the notes. Well, on the YouTube video that’s will be uploaded. Okay. As well as on the, YouTube on the Facebook video, that’s going to be recorded on the Facebook pages as well on our 10,000 worlds, Facebook page, and also on my personal Facebook page as well.

[01:54:39] And I will ask though, this, this broadcast will be turned into a podcast, here this week and I will love it. So, place these websites there as well that you can visit. So may God bless each and every one of you. thank you once again for being here with us until next time. take care and remember to make [01:55:00] sure the feed that sold at CNU, because why that soul brother Brown told us it’s worth 10,000 worlds.

[01:55:06] And, and, and there’s nothing, there’s nothing God has placed in limited value to your soul. And so you feed it with, don’t feed it with anything else, but the word and you’ll become like the word. Amen. Amen. God bless each. And every one of y’all take care. Good night.