Episode 32: Live Talk With Brothers Zach Black & Michael Punungwe

Episode Transcript:

[00:00:00] Luis Urrego: [00:00:00] Hey everybody. We welcome you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to the Ten Thousand Worlds live stream. And we hope that you are having a wonderful day and a wonderful afternoon, wonderful evening, a wonderful morning wherever you are at. And, we know that on the other side of the world this morning now.

[00:00:19] So, if you’re viewing right now, we welcome you in the name of the Lord. Jesus Christ. Then. It’s a privilege and an honor to, to have with me here, brother, Zach Black and brother Michael  Punungwe from, from, they are young brothers from our assembly. And, it’s Spoken Word Church in Lula, Georgia. So if, you Michael and Zach, if you want to greet, I’ll start with you, Zach, if you want to greet everybody and just, yeah, just go ahead and

[00:00:45] Zach Black: [00:00:45] Hey everyone, I greet you in the name of Lord Jesus.

[00:00:48]I’m very happy to be here and just hope that this podcast is a blessing to you all.

[00:00:56] Amen. Amen

[00:00:57] Michael Punungwe: [00:00:57] I’m brother…

[00:00:59] Luis Urrego: [00:00:59] Go ahead. [00:01:00] Go ahead, Mike.

[00:01:01] Michael Punungwe: [00:01:01] Okay. I’m brother to Michael. I hope you’re having a blessed day. I’m having a good day. Brother Luis, I just want to say it’s a honor to be here, you know, I’ve listened to a lot of your episodes and I enjoy the podcast, I know many other people enjoy it and…

[00:01:15] I’m always like whenever someone asks me for podcast recommendations or something like that, I always point them to your podcast. So it’s, I’m glad to be here.

[00:01:23] Luis Urrego: [00:01:23] Well, I appreciate that, Michael. Thank you so much. Not, not anything professional or anything, but you know, just trying to do something to help God’s people and get the word out.

[00:01:34] That’s the most important thing. So,

[00:01:36] Michael Punungwe: [00:01:36] Yeah…

[00:01:38] Luis Urrego: [00:01:38] And, I mean, we’re living in a, we’re living in a crazy times in this hour. And of course, both of you know, that these are, times that, lots of changes have taken place and things seem to be moving online to online platforms a lot. So I always say, why not take advantage of it and use it, for the kingdom of God you see

[00:01:59] Zach Black: [00:01:59] right.

[00:02:00] [00:02:00] Luis Urrego: [00:02:00] So…

[00:02:00] So, so let’s, let’s, let’s get started. Zach and Michael, I asked them a couple of weeks ago, I said, Hey, would you like to come on and join me on a, on a live interview? And, they said, yeah, sure. That would be, that would be awesome. And, brothers, Zach and brother Michael, they’ve been, known them now for several years.

[00:02:17] And, the Lord has, has been definitely dealing with them in their life and, and, So they, they, they will, they will share their testimony, their personal testimonies, as well as we’ll, we’ll get to discussing some things regarding, our young people, in the Message today. And, the things that they have seen, regarding, what hinders our young people in this our day.

[00:02:39] And, maybe they will even get into their personal experiences themselves, regarding those things. And, also we’ve had brothers Zack Black before on our podcast episode, I can’t remember what are the episode number was, but, you can go back and listen to his testimony there and he shares his personal testimony of how [00:03:00] God gave him the new birth.

[00:03:01] So, so guys, I guess maybe we can start with, Michael, listen, let’s just start with you. can you tell us a little bit about yourself and, and just how God is dealing in your life. And just share us a little bit about your background, and then we’ll go with Zack after,

[00:03:17] Michael Punungwe: [00:03:17] my background, I guess, I’ve been raised in a Christian household.

[00:03:22] I’ve, raised in a Christian household. I’ve been to public school most of my life. I’ve been going to the Dallas church for a long time. And, no, it’s like, like go on my testimony and stuff like that.

[00:03:36] Luis Urrego: [00:03:36] Yeah. Just go share it or share your little personal testimony and then we’ll, you don’t have to go into like a lot of details and things, but, you know, just kind of basics.

[00:03:46] They will go to Zach.

[00:03:48] Michael Punungwe: [00:03:48] I remember, it was a youth camp. BYC exactly knows if you’ve been there together before. And, No I’ve been there. I think it was my third year there [00:04:00] that, I don’t know what happened, but I just, one day I decided I went, one went to the altar and I just decided to kneel and pray and repent and accept, you know, the Lord is my savior and I had always, I had grown up in a Christian household, so it was never really, for me, it was, it wasn’t like, does God exists for me?

[00:04:19] It was like, It was like starting that relationship with him. So it wasn’t, you know, I always believed, you know, God is real. He does things. And then actually I remember watching one of your episodes with Stephen coffee, just talking. And one thing he said that really struck me was that he said he was raised in a message house.

[00:04:39] So, and he doesn’t believe he doesn’t think he did. It came on the other way. And I feel like I was that same way. Cause I don’t know if I was born and raised somewhere else that I wouldn’t. Been able to come to the message the way I did. I was very thankful for that. Then I was able to be raised that way.

[00:04:56] Cause you know, Lord knows what I would do if I wasn’t, [00:05:00] but I started that relationship. And now I had a problem at the very beginning because I thought, you know, when you get the Holy ghost, everyone talks about it like this. Like I’m like it’s fireworks in this. The flashy lights are like something supposed to happen.

[00:05:19] And I’ve just like spiritually, I’ve never been like the speak in tongues, run around and jump around kind of person. So when I,

[00:05:29] Luis Urrego: [00:05:29] you tend to be more of a, you tend to be a more, a reserved type type person,

[00:05:35] Michael Punungwe: [00:05:35] more like a Reverend kind of. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of my friends actually know that I’m usually loud and boisterous a lot, so.

[00:05:43] So my way of showing respect is actually, you know, toning that down and actually just being more reserved. And I guess that’s how I am.

[00:05:51] Luis Urrego: [00:05:51] Yeah.

[00:05:52] Michael Punungwe: [00:05:52] But, I was, I was expecting something to happen like that. And so when I received it and that book changed my life, I didn’t, I wasn’t really sure I had received it.

[00:06:00] [00:06:00] I just knew that something was different, but I wasn’t sure, I wasn’t sure what to call it. Cause every time I had heard about, you know, the Holy ghost, it was like this amazing thing that. You know, it’s like, it’s just, and then, you know, but the more I studied the message and heard the word, you know, people will say, no, brother Branam, I’m sending my brother, George.

[00:06:23] A lot of people know him,

[00:06:25] Luis Urrego: [00:06:25] but

[00:06:25] Michael Punungwe: [00:06:25] he, he said that he received it and it wasn’t like, it wasn’t some big fireworks or flashing lights. It was just, you know, he accepted in his heart. I mean, it was like a peace kind of thing. And then the next time he saw her, the random brother, Brandon said, you have it. And he said he didn’t feel anything different.

[00:06:44] He didn’t feel, you know, he didn’t have to jump and shout. He just, he just had the, I remember brother Brenham knew that he had it next time you saw him. So I hear more stories like that. And I was able to eventually come to terms with like, yes, cause I knew, [00:07:00] I, I knew I had changed. I knew for a fact that I had changed, but I was expecting something that, you know, wasn’t there, but.

[00:07:08] The more I studied, the more I listened, the more I knew that, okay, this is, this is for real, and this is what I have. And I, I truly believe that. And one of my, I think one of my, joy is really the new birth is, it’s just watching how you grow over the years and how God matures you in your life. I knew, like before I came to the messages, I was like, I was actually a very, I was a huge potty mill.

[00:07:32] So one of the first things that potty potty,

[00:07:40] Luis Urrego: [00:07:40] tell her, tell us what a potty mouth is.

[00:07:45] Michael Punungwe: [00:07:45] You say a lot of bad words, a lot of the, a mess with

[00:07:47] Luis Urrego: [00:07:47] them before, before you go there before you go there. Michael, how old are you? I’m

[00:07:54] Michael Punungwe: [00:07:54] 19

[00:07:54] Luis Urrego: [00:07:54] you’re 19 right now. And that experience that you had, was, was around how old were [00:08:00] you at that time?

[00:08:01] Michael Punungwe: [00:08:01] I think I was 15. I remember, I can’t remember the year exactly, but I remember that it was my freshman year of high school. And that summer, when I came back as a sophomore, I have the, and that’s all I knew and what I didn’t know at the time I knew that something changed. And one of the first things I stopped doing was, you know, swearing and doing all that stuff.

[00:08:23] Right.

[00:08:24] Luis Urrego: [00:08:24] And,

[00:08:24] Michael Punungwe: [00:08:24] you know, over the years, like,

[00:08:26] Luis Urrego: [00:08:26] so you had Hottie mouth?

[00:08:28] Michael Punungwe: [00:08:28] Yeah. I haven’t had a potty mouth.

[00:08:31] Luis Urrego: [00:08:31] Okay. So go ahead.

[00:08:34] Michael Punungwe: [00:08:34] Yeah. So then, then, you know, it’s just interesting to look back at the years and see how you grown and spiritually. And I’m one of like one of those, you know, that song that goes. He created the moon and the stars.

[00:08:46] And then he says, he’s still working on me.

[00:08:49] Luis Urrego: [00:08:49] Right. And

[00:08:50] Michael Punungwe: [00:08:50] I know it’s a very simple song and it’s usually seen as a children’s song, but it’s just so no paramount to the Christian experience that he’s still working [00:09:00] on you. And he’s improving every day, every year, you know, you can look back and say, I’m better than I was then.

[00:09:06] You know, like the, everyone knows that story of the lady who said I’m not wearing, you know, I’m not where I used to be. Well, I’m not, I’m not where I ought to be, but I’m not where I used to. You know,

[00:09:16] Luis Urrego: [00:09:16] so

[00:09:17] Michael Punungwe: [00:09:17] if you just keep drawing and learning in the Lord and he’s truly given me, you know, a wonderful experience, as well as, you know, I, I’m a very musical person, you know, at least in some times.

[00:09:30] So I think a lot of things in like songs and one of the songs that goes, I’m finding more power than I’ve ever seen. I’m learning to lean on Jesus. Man. I just feel the more I grow from the Lord, the more I feel that power, I feel that growth and just learning to lean and just not having all these problems.

[00:09:50] And another time was I’m at a youth camp. Again was,

[00:09:54] Luis Urrego: [00:09:54] I think it

[00:09:54] Michael Punungwe: [00:09:54] was last year around June, July, actually. I had, I would always have so much [00:10:00] anxiety about my future and all these different things. Like. I would always wonder like, Oh, who am I going to marry? Or what, what job am I going to have? What are you going to do?

[00:10:09] Am I going to be good enough for this? Or good enough for that,

[00:10:12] Luis Urrego: [00:10:12] which is a normal thing, which is a normal thing to have at your right? Yeah. I mean,

[00:10:17] Michael Punungwe: [00:10:17] it is a very normal thing, but I know I just, it just, it bothered me so much. And I didn’t know, I didn’t want that to keep bothering me cause I was like, I believe in the Lord, I trust in the Lord and I hand these things over to him.

[00:10:31] Cause I can’t keep. No stressing over it so much. And there was a lot of nights where I was just up and just in a terrible mood or just being stressed, stressed out. and, they were having well having an apparel line, but there are having people, if you want, until you can come up for prayer. And I remember, I realized like, okay, I believe that, yeah, you can take this away from you.

[00:10:56] So I want it for prayer. And there was a lady in front of me. He was getting [00:11:00] prayed. And before I even got prayed for him, they start playing the song. because he lives, I can face tomorrow. Cause I know, yes, I know my say release. So because he lives, I can face tomorrow. And that like before they didn’t pray for me, I felt like that.

[00:11:16] Yeah. My, my prayers had already been answered because that song, because, you know, because he lives in. That was a very good, I enjoyed that experience very much. And I had a, I just had a piece after that. It was, it was a piece, you know, and that piece has stayed with me, especially, especially in times, like these were like the, the viruses happening, you know, there’s riots going on is everyone’s worried about this and that.

[00:11:44] And I just feel like, like, I feel like at the, when this thing was at its peak, I just felt so at peace, like none, nothing bothered, nothing can bother them. Like when everyone, like, when it was like heating up and ramping up and churches were closing and this was closed and [00:12:00] everyone’s like, Oh no, this is going bad.

[00:12:02] I just felt so at peace, you know, the whole time everything’s been going on. And I feel like if anyone out there needs that, you know, you go to God for that cause and give you that peace and you’ve done it. That’s right. Yeah. I mean, that’s the best we know that. Yeah.

[00:12:17] Luis Urrego: [00:12:17] Amen. Amen. Well, that’s, that’s awesome, brother, Michael, and, it’s wonderful to have that piece.

[00:12:25] Like the Bible says the peace that passes all understanding so that you don’t have to understate stand it all yourself, but he knows, you know, that he understands and that’s the most important. Hey, let’s go. Let’s go. Let’s go to Zach here. Just a moment. Zach, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and, just.

[00:12:45] Maybe get into a little bit of your testimony and, you can share that. Like I said, like I told Mike, you don’t have to go into a lot of details or anything, but, but maybe hit some highlights and then, then we can go from there.

[00:12:58] Zach Black: [00:12:58] Okay. Yeah. [00:13:00] So,

[00:13:00] Luis Urrego: [00:13:00] so basically

[00:13:01] Zach Black: [00:13:01] my background, I grew up in a message family, just going to spoken word church.

[00:13:07]all my life ever since I was born pretty much.

[00:13:10] Luis Urrego: [00:13:10] how old are you that

[00:13:12] Zach Black: [00:13:12] I’m 20 years old. I’ll be like 21 in two months.

[00:13:19] Luis Urrego: [00:13:19] I wish I was 21 again. I would say I was 19. It will be wait, we’re heading that way too. The brothers and the sisters who are watching right now, where we’re heading back to that, I believe where you’re heading to that, that the more than we get older, really we’re getting younger.

[00:13:39] And if you’re born again.

[00:13:42] Zach Black: [00:13:42] Yeah,

[00:13:43] Luis Urrego: [00:13:43] go ahead. Sorry.

[00:13:45] Zach Black: [00:13:45] That’s all right.

[00:13:46] Luis Urrego: [00:13:46] so

[00:13:46] Zach Black: [00:13:46] yeah, I’ve been raised and then, like I said, I’ve been raised in the message all my life and, grew up with very, you know, good doctrine, Christian parents, and, aye, no, always like her, you know, [00:14:00] I didn’t really, like Michael said, I never really had a question of whether there was a God or not.

[00:14:07]for, you know, for the most part of my life. Like I never questioned that at all, just because I could see, you know, And the, and the way my parents lived and how dedicated they were to God. I could just see that through them, even while before, you know, I was, had the Newburgh. Okay. So, you know, the way parents live in front of your kids, that has a huge impact.

[00:14:31]so like if, you know, if you’re a kid and you, and you see your parents reading their Bibles every day and just like really taking the time. To put aside towards God and you hear where the granite playing in the house, all, you know, all the time. And you’re having like devotionals with your kids that really has an impact.

[00:14:51] And they’ll have an impact later on in their life.

[00:14:53] Luis Urrego: [00:14:53] Even

[00:14:54] Zach Black: [00:14:54] if you know things go South and they’re like, you know, they’ll always remember that [00:15:00] and they’ll have that conscious remembering for that. So anyway, I’d say about maybe eight, 18 or so. I really started to, I kind of wanted to experience what the rest of the world was kind of experiencing.

[00:15:18] I was just curious, I always had a very curious, like kind of mindset where, I didn’t just want to, I just wanted to kind of, you know, see what things were like for myself. So, I, I definitely dabbled in things that, you know, I shouldn’t have. yeah, I had a potty mouth too, and, you know, I had, I’m a huge, one of my biggest problems was music.

[00:15:40] And I know a lot of young people struggle with that nowadays. And, I was so aye, aye, love music. Like music is, you know, and I play guitar in church and stuff. So it’s a. You know, it’s just part of my life. And I always thought of that as the thing that I would [00:16:00] never be able to stop doing, listening to music, all kinds of, yeah, it is.

[00:16:06] It’s very strong spirit and like hip hop and rap, it’s the same thing, but, you know, you know, just all types of music. And so I had that in my mind and I went through that. I live my life in that way for about, you know, two years or so. And, yeah. Then I went to BYU senior last year. and I remember having an experience where yeah, I said to myself, I’m good.

[00:16:37] I’m going to change my life. This is, this is it. And I felt the presence of the Lord and everything. Come down, you know, and, I really, I re you know, repented in everything and I believe that God just like twins me out right there. And I went away from camp feeling different, completely different. And, but then a week went by two weeks [00:17:00] and I was right back to, I was actually worse off than when I went to camp.

[00:17:04] It was the worst. So. nothing had actually changed. It was just, you know, I get cleansed out and then just, you know, all the spirits came right back in, even worse than there were before. And, then I, a little bit after that, I’d say maybe around, four or five months after, after that camp, The Lord really started to deal with me.

[00:17:31] And I started having a lot of anxiety about where my life was going to go. if I continued my life and the way that I was going and the way that I was continuing, and I was thinking like this, I just, I don’t know, I can’t do this. And, I can’t live my life like this. Like, it just didn’t seem right.

[00:17:53] And I felt like there was something. God was definitely pulling you. And, [00:18:00] I, you know, felt that. And, so I, I remember I started, I was like, I made up my mind, when one day in church and I was like, I’m done, I’m going to change my life. I’m just going to read the word until I get the new birth, because I know.

[00:18:19] Then once I have the new girl, there’s no way I can go back to the way I used to be. That’s that’s the, you know, what I need. and so, I remember I talked to my dad about it and, there’s a lot more that goes into this, but just to kind of make the long story short, I talked to my dad and he was like, he just told me, to read the book of acts and that.

[00:18:43] All you have to do is just believe the word is the it read the word, because if God says it, that’s the truth. All you have to do is believe it, you know, and that really kind of, you know, I just kept that in my mind. And, so I was reading a book of acts. [00:19:00] there was acts chapter two, verse eight, I think.

[00:19:07] And, It said whosoever believe with on the Lord, shall we say? And I was reading in and I was reading that chapter. And when I got to that verse, I read that it stuck out to me and I was like, okay, whosoever believes on the Lord. Shall we say? And I just sat back and I was like, well, Lord, you said it right there.

[00:19:29] And if all I have to do is believe it, then I believe it. And I miss got down. I started praying and I just started compressing, you know, that I believe. And, just asking God over and over and over,

[00:19:43] Luis Urrego: [00:19:43] please give

[00:19:44] Zach Black: [00:19:44] me any bird. Please give me the Newberry. You know, and I, there was a star inserted them into my mind.

[00:19:51] It wasn’t like an audible voice or anything, but it was so prevalent. I mean, it, it was not my thought. It was, it wasn’t me at all. [00:20:00] And it said you only had asked me one time and it’s power. It was, yeah, that was a powerful moment. Right. Then, like, I didn’t, I felt like I felt this peace and whatever. Then there wasn’t like a strong, like presence.

[00:20:16] Like you feel like you can sometimes, you know, or anything like that, it doesn’t need to be, you know, but it was just this piece that came over me. Something I had never felt before, like that. And I was new. I knew that something was different and, you know, it, wasn’t just me that noticed a difference in the people around me, you know, noticed the difference.

[00:20:37] And a lot of people told me that, you know, even the friends that I had before, they said that they noticed the difference, you know, and, and it’s just, it’s something that you can’t help that can’t help, but show grew new, you know? And,

[00:20:52] Luis Urrego: [00:20:52] That’s interesting that you mentioned that you felt the same piece, like Michael mentioned.

[00:20:57] Yeah. It was a piece.

[00:20:59] Zach Black: [00:20:59] Yeah. [00:21:00] That’s what the number was. I like, you might, like Michael said,

[00:21:04] Luis Urrego: [00:21:04] it’s almost like your, those burdens are off of you.

[00:21:07] Zach Black: [00:21:07] Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He’s like all of that and just slides right

[00:21:11] Luis Urrego: [00:21:11] off.  that you don’t that now it’s not you living, but it’s Christ living through you that it’s not you trying to do your own thing now, but that he’s trying, he want you now you accept him to live his life through you,

[00:21:29] Zach Black: [00:21:29] right?

[00:21:31] Luis Urrego: [00:21:31] Yeah. So go ahead. Like Michael said,

[00:21:35] Zach Black: [00:21:35] when all this curve, ours, by the way, this, when I received the number, if it was on January 7th this year. So, yeah, I got up pretty recently. but like Michael said, when all this coronal art stuff started happening and everything, you have like a piece that like all the world is going in chaos.

[00:21:57] They don’t know what to do. They don’t know [00:22:00] what to think. and, they don’t know what’s going to happen next, but you do. It’s like you, you know, that you know that you don’t have anything to worry about and, you know, God has it all in his hands, right. When you’re part of that, that the bride, and you got that life inside of you.

[00:22:16] I mean, you know, what can work and hurt you, you know? Hey,

[00:22:21] Luis Urrego: [00:22:21] man. Let me ask you this, Zach. So it hasn’t been the same since then, right?

[00:22:26] Zach Black: [00:22:26] Oh no, no, not at all.

[00:22:28] Luis Urrego: [00:22:28] How about you, Michael?

[00:22:30] Michael Punungwe: [00:22:30] No, not even close.

[00:22:34] Luis Urrego: [00:22:34] Well for Michael and Zach, you, you, you did. You did homeschooling, right? Oh yeah. Right. And Michael, he went to public school and, I think Michael, does it help.

[00:22:48] Does it help? Not even being at school?

[00:22:55] Michael Punungwe: [00:22:55] I definitely, I definitely think it does, but I don’t never, I would never change that I went the [00:23:00] public school because, you know, I’ve always, I’ve never been afraid of telling me what I believe and

[00:23:05] Luis Urrego: [00:23:05] good. And

[00:23:05] Michael Punungwe: [00:23:05] once I have that experience, you know, I was, very much alienated from my peers. Right. But.

[00:23:12] Once you have that experience, it’s like, that’s it. Like, whatever else happens happens, you know? And I’ve never, I’ve never been, you know, away from the argument or anything. Like, I don’t try to even want to do. It’s like, it’s not, I’m not trying to insult people. I mean, I tell you what I believe and I’m not sure.

[00:23:31] Yeah. So I just think that probably built me up more. The fact that I went to a school or I’d go to school where no, probably no one believes what I believe. And I’m still able to speak my mind and tell people, you know, what I believe without fear of any judgment or anything. So I think that probably strengthened me more and I appreciate it.

[00:23:53] You know, that experience.

[00:23:54] Luis Urrego: [00:23:54] That’s an interesting point that you bring out because, sometimes you know, that being [00:24:00] in those types of environments, you know, it hinders, Christians young, but at the same time, in your case, it was, it was, it was helping strengthening you as far as, to stay firm in your conviction to stay, to stay firm on what you, what you believe.

[00:24:17] And, for those who don’t, I mean, Mino and Michael, and have known him for a few years now. And, He is pretty headstrong as far as, that’s just the thing type of personality that he, that he isn’t in a, I liked that I personally liked that I think he has a, he has a, a leader’s mindset in my opinion.

[00:24:36] And so that’s good. That’s good. And so, that’s, that’s, that’s powerful. Yeah. Sorry, Michael, because it’s definitely needed. It’s definitely needed a lot of, a lot of, a lot of young people. Would you say, would you say that a lot of young people tend to be more followers than, than, than leaders in this hour?

[00:24:57] Michael Punungwe: [00:24:57] Well, yeah, I would say, I mean, [00:25:00] you know, I think by the, just by the general divide, you know, there’s going to be more leaders and followers because, you know, there’s not going to leaders leading the leading leaders. Aren’t gonna lead a bunch of leaders. So they ask me more followers. Inevitably. I do think a lot of people, They have certain, I guess, that they look up to, you know, these people on T V or a certain, you know, people that they want to kind of shape themselves after versus wanting to, you know, do their own thing and be their own person in their own way.

[00:25:33] You know? And it’s like, there’s a lot, like when I’ve heard stories of when ministers would call to preach. And, you know, they would try to preach like others, like someone else. And it’s like, God, didn’t call you to preach. You know, like this brother, because that brother is already there, you know, God called you because he wants you to do it and you need to do right.

[00:25:53] You know? So it’s all about letting God use you in a way that is unique to you. [00:26:00] And it’s personally not, not for you to try and be somebody else, because if you will, if you want, if you just wanted that person, he wouldn’t have called you. So I think that’s important. And to know who you are, not just try to, you know, replicate or, you know, do what someone else is doing just to be your own person and do it, you know, truly what truly makes you happy.

[00:26:20] Luis Urrego: [00:26:20] Yeah, I think that’s, that’s, that’s very powerful. What you’re saying there is that you have to be your own self. And I’ve, personally, I feel that sometimes it’s a very for, for, for you or, you know, young people in our day to try to copy and be like somebody else, you know, and act like somebody else.

[00:26:41] And then when in reality, what’s gonna make you stand out and really what’s gonna make the God inside of you. Stand out more is you be yourself, you be yourself. And, And so that that’s, that’s gonna, that’s gonna speak a lot of volumes to people in life. Hey, that, that, [00:27:00] that guy there original, you know, he’s, he’s, he’s not, they’re trying to be like else or trying to be like this, that the other, he and that, and that’s powerful.

[00:27:08] One thing that I try to tell my, my daughters and, is, is, GP originally you’d be yourself. Don’t act like anybody else. Don’t don’t be like anybody else because people will, will, will like that. Cause they’re looking for that. I think. Do you think, do you think that, do you think the same thing, Zack, it, people are looking for that young people today?

[00:27:30] Zach Black: [00:27:30] Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. everybody wants, something original, you know, you don’t want to copy cat or anything like that.

[00:27:38] Luis Urrego: [00:27:38] Amen. Hey, man. Well, we’re gonna, we’re gonna with Zach, you know, he’s, he’s, he has had a great experience with God as, as he has shares. You just heard him share his testimony again, you can listen to his full testimony on our podcast.

[00:27:55]I can’t remember the episode number right now. It’s just, maybe [00:28:00] four or five episodes. go. But you can go back and listen to his episode. And he shares goes into detail with him, with his testimony. But, one thing that I admire about Zach is, you know, it’s almost like he burned his bridges, you know, he, it, and then he’s not, he’s not turning back, you know, burn and burn and that’s, that’s important, you know, to not turn back and, just move on with God.

[00:28:25] This is you’re all in it. You’re all in it. And very, very important in this hour before we continue, brothers, just want to that’s a sister says Shalom brothers, sisters, enjoy the word in our, in our little Jesus Christ. May God richly blessed you sister, my

[00:28:43] Michael Punungwe: [00:28:43] sister mine.

[00:28:44] Zach Black: [00:28:44] Thank you. Bless you.

[00:28:46] Luis Urrego: [00:28:46] God bless you, Ryan.

[00:28:47] Thank you for tuning in. This is brother Sam, Sam by the Samuel, not here. He’s in South Carolina. He says, God bless you, brothers. He’s a pastor there in South Carolina. Yeah.

[00:28:58] Zach Black: [00:28:58] Bless you.

[00:28:59] Michael Punungwe: [00:28:59] God bless you brother.

[00:29:01] [00:29:00] Luis Urrego: [00:29:01] Praise the Lord. And then brother  from, the Philippines. He says, more power to your program or the Louise Shalom.

[00:29:09] Well, more power to you brother. Be sent there. Bless

[00:29:12] Michael Punungwe: [00:29:12] you brother. And

[00:29:13] Luis Urrego: [00:29:13] God bless God. Bless you, brother. Be sent in. And, it’s good to have you here listening with us today. sister Esther says, amen. And then your Kofi

[00:29:25] Michael Punungwe: [00:29:25] daddy.

[00:29:28] Luis Urrego: [00:29:28] I don’t know, man, right

[00:29:28] Michael Punungwe: [00:29:28] there.

[00:29:31] Luis Urrego: [00:29:31] Yeah, he’s saying, he’s saying prayers or the, we, we all need those

[00:29:35] Michael Punungwe: [00:29:35] prayers.

[00:29:36] Yes, sir.

[00:29:37] Luis Urrego: [00:29:37] We all need those prayers. It’s good to have you here. Listening with us that Daniel. God bless you. Praise the Lord. So guys, so it’s, get situated here. So it’s it’s what do you think, what do you think, is the, I mean, so both of you have experienced, the new birth in your life, Michael w would you say, would you say [00:30:00] it has, has it been a, Flowery better bees since, since, you’ve experienced a new birth in your life or, or has it just, has it been tough?

[00:30:11] Michael Punungwe: [00:30:11] Well, I think for me, especially nurses, I told you I went to public school. it was definitely very tough at the start, but actually that was one actually public school was actually, I think the ultimate test of whether or not I really had it cause you know, there’s so many influences there. And if I could go to public school, you know, and still believe that I believe in, I believe that, you know, my experience was real and it was, it was very tough because, you know, I went into freshman year, like everyone else, you know, doing my own thing in the world and then sophomore year comes around and I’ve, I’ve got even not a fit in anymore.

[00:30:45] It’s it’s, I mean, it is very lonely sometimes, but. You know, in the end, over in the long run, you know, it’s all worth it, you know, of course, no, it’s not. No. I remember, I went to BYC no, [00:31:00] the third one was saying, no, it’s not, you get the new birth. And then I go, now you’re good. Now you’re just coasting through life.

[00:31:05] And it’s all, you know, flowers and stuff, but actually it gets harder, you know, in the world and dealing with worldly influences and all those things. No, of course there’s many trials and tribulations, but it’s all, it’s all for you to become stronger and become a better person.

[00:31:24] Luis Urrego: [00:31:24] Amen. Amen. yeah, it’s, that’s very, that’s very true.

[00:31:28] Michael, when you, when you become a Christian and you’re really dedicated and you want to change, it happened to me when I was in, when I was in high school, in my, my, my steamy army. Yeah. We can hear you. We hear you. Thank you. Yeah, because he’s, he’ll, he’ll he’ll come back. We’ll let him in. but anyways, as I was saying, you know, when you’re, when you’re, it happened to me as well.

[00:31:56] And, you just have to make that, that, that, that. [00:32:00] Decision and, and, and stick with it because really it’s a, you know, that, that’s what you wanted all along anyways, eh, you know, and all that, all you are is just trying to fit in. When in reality, you know, you can’t fit in. So, so that’s, that’s very important.

[00:32:20] Well, let me ask you this, Zach, while we wait for Michael to come back, why Zach, why do you think the, what do you think the new birth is so important?

[00:32:33] We got you. We got your mic.

[00:32:36] Michael Punungwe: [00:32:36] Sorry about that

[00:32:38] Luis Urrego: [00:32:38] now you all right? Yeah.

[00:32:40] Zach Black: [00:32:40] Ellen, are you okay?

[00:32:42] Luis Urrego: [00:32:42] Yeah, I’ll go. Well, let me, my. Michael. I was just telling, I was telling Zach that the, you know, that it’s so important for you to, to have the new birth and, it is difficult, you know, when you really make your decision to really serve God with all of your heart, because in reality, you know, it is tough.

[00:32:59] You’re going to lose [00:33:00] friends. You’re going to lose, acquaintances. You’re going to lose. But in reality, those weren’t really your friends in the first place, you know, you’re, you’re good friends, you know, and, and, and really you, you were just trying to fit in, you know, the whole, when in reality, what you really wanted was to serve the Lord.

[00:33:19] And so now when you’re in real, you’re being real with God, you’re being real with yourself. and, and I think that’s what brings that peace that you both have been talking about. And so I was asking Zach, and, I’ll come back to you, Michael, that, why do you think the new birth is so important? Why do you need the Neper?

[00:33:37] Zach Black: [00:33:37] Yeah, that’s a good question because, I think the new birth is it’s, it’s like the, the very start of what began was, starts that journey, with God. And that relationship that you have with them and that that’s where the growth and the friendship and, you know, everything that you have with God [00:34:00] begins is with the new birth.

[00:34:02] So that alone is, important just to be able to start your journey. And also because without the new birth you can’t even, with the new birth, you, you. Get revelation from God, and God can then open his word to you because you have that seed inside of you. And the word is what we’ll just continuously water that.

[00:34:25] So if you have that seed already inside of you and you’re opening the word and you’re reading it and you’re listening to it, the brand and where, you know, the, the preacher, whoever you’re listening to, that’s just a constant, just outpouring of the word, watering that seed that’s inside of you and allowing you to grow and just.

[00:34:42] That’s a burst forth within you so that you need that seat to be able to create something, to be able to grow as a person and as a Christian. So without that, you don’t have anything and you don’t even really have a [00:35:00] purpose. that’s how I feel like I felt like I didn’t have purpose at all. Until I actually had the new birth.

[00:35:06] That’s what gives life meaning and purpose. So, yeah.

[00:35:11] Luis Urrego: [00:35:11] Amen. Amen. That’s awesome that you mentioned that, that it gives you purpose. It gives you, it gives meaning to life because I mean, you can, you can go to school, you can go to work. I mean, ended up getting a good job and end up, you know, having a family, get married, having a family and, and all those good things, but.

[00:35:34] None of those things fulfill that soul that you come to this earth with, correct? Yeah. So, so in, so that is where that is, where that see that you’re talking about the Zack is that seed, which is the word of God. it comes into, into being, Hey, that is what, okay. That is what I’ve been looking for this whole time.

[00:35:59] And what [00:36:00] happens and what happens is that Satan just perverts that thirst that we have for God, with other things, with smoking, drinking. Yeah. With hip hop with, with, all kinds of other things, G your job, your, your school, you know, none of those things, or none of those things, those things are fine. As far as school going to school and things like that.

[00:36:22] But in reality, what you, what you really desire and has God and Satan is just trying to keep, keep you away from that. Michael. What do you think, why do you think the new birth is so important and in, in a, in a person’s life and, and for those who are listening and do not know and never heard of this terminology, what is the new birth?

[00:36:40] The Bible actually speaks about this. Jesus talked to Nicodemus in the Bible. He says, you must be born again. And, and, and just to condense it really short is that, is that you come here in this life with your first birth, which is your birth from your mom and dad. But in order for you [00:37:00] to go to heaven, in other words, to kind of make it simple, you have to have your soul be born again, be, be, be birth of the word.

[00:37:11]that’s what that’s where salvation comes in. And, and, and we actually received the life of the Holy ghost in your life in order to live the life of God, because without it, you can’t do it. So, Michael, why do you think, why is it, why is the new births so important to you?

[00:37:26] Michael Punungwe: [00:37:26] I’m actually very glad you asked this question because I’ve actually been reading Romans recently.

[00:37:31] And you know, when Paul is talking to the Romans he’s, he’s talking about how the law isn’t sufficient. The Lord. You’re not going to get by with a long, you know, law condemns you with the mob. You’re right. You lost no, just keep you down, but you need to get to the ends of the spirit even said that the righteousness of the law.

[00:37:52] Isn’t even, you know, pleasurable on God’s eyes, you know, it’s not even worth anything at the end of the day, even if you were, even if I, somehow you [00:38:00] could keep all these laws, it doesn’t matter if you don’t get in that spirit, if you’re not having to, in that spirit, in that relationship with God. And that’s really what being Christian being a Christian is, you know, it’s, it’s not all like the rules and regulations that people think it is.

[00:38:13] It’s actually knowing God and who he is and loving him and have him guide you and lead you. Then, you know, during his well, and, you know, being, being pleased and doing his well and getting into those things of the spirit, because the law kept saying, you need that spiritual number, you need the spiritual aspect of your life to truly fulfill yourself.

[00:38:34] Luis Urrego: [00:38:34] That was where I was. That’s what I was going to ask you that what is, what is the law?

[00:38:41]And the white, and you just, you just mentioned is that it’s dudes and don’ts. You know, the Israelites, you know, they had the law of Moses and they had the, you shall not do this and you shall do this and you shall not do this. And you shall, and God gave them those things, knowing that [00:39:00] him knowing himself that they were not going to be able to fulfill it on their own.

[00:39:04] Right. He wanted them to come to that point, but that’s where Christ came in later is when he came here to earth, died, lived the law and Rose again. And. Came back in the believer in the form of the Holy ghost. And so since he fulfilled the law, now we doubt the law it’s fulfilled through him. So we have his life.

[00:39:26] We don’t have to worry about fulfilling the law.

[00:39:28] Zach Black: [00:39:28] Correct. Right.

[00:39:31] Luis Urrego: [00:39:31] Amen. Amen. So what, what that’s, that’s wonderful that you bring that up, Michael, that is not about do’s and don’ts, and I, I want, I want to make that clear. Do you think, Zach, let me ask you this. Do you think that in this, our day, that young people in the message, is that something that they think that the message is, is about?

[00:39:53] Yes,

[00:39:54] Zach Black: [00:39:54] actually. Yeah, I was actually just thinking about that, is that a lot of young people here, [00:40:00] they, I, I believe that. The reason

[00:40:02] Luis Urrego: [00:40:02] why,

[00:40:03] Zach Black: [00:40:03] a lot of them just like drift away from the message or, they leave entirely. You’re just completely disbelieving that there’s even a God is because they think that the message is just using don’ts because really a, the truth of it is I don’t think a lot, most people actually even get in the message in the word and actually look for themselves or at least, Yeah, they just think it’s, just a bunch of rules and regulations that are set that you need to follow, but that’s not what it is at all.

[00:40:35] It’s the new birth that then causes you to want to follow these rules. You know, all those things. It’s not you having to constantly try to follow all these rules and measure up to something. It’s you having that life that then makes you, it gives you the desire to want to live for God and in the best way [00:41:00] that you possibly can, you know, and follow his word, what he says to do.

[00:41:04] And not

[00:41:07] Luis Urrego: [00:41:07] if I

[00:41:08] Michael Punungwe: [00:41:08] can kind of add to that, like, like some people, you know, they think, Oh, I’m a Christian. I can’t do this. I can’t do this. I can’t do this really. It’s not about that. It’s about. When you received the, the birth in goddess, you and leading you, and you have a relationship with him, the desires for those things in the world and go away, it’s not like, Oh, I can’t do this.

[00:41:29] I can’t do this. It’s like, I don’t want to do that because, you know, I gotten that and that’s, that’s not as well. And that’s what I want to do. You know, he’ll take those desires. I was away. It just, they’re just staying away. They were never there.

[00:41:43] Luis Urrego: [00:41:43] Did they go away? Did they go away immediately or did they, or did they go?

[00:41:47]that is a, it’s a gradual

[00:41:48] Michael Punungwe: [00:41:48] thing. Gradually very, very various LOPA. I like how, where the Donnie Reagan says he’s a guy works. We’ve had to go quit, quit, quit without work, very [00:42:00] slow. And it’s over time and it’s just praying, waiting, reading. Staying in the word and coming to church and being ready for that word.

[00:42:11] And it’s, it’s all those things, you know, over the course of years and years and years, and now you’re coming to a better place. And over time, you know, just growing more and more and more, it’s like, you know, you don’t expect, you give birth to a baby and it’s going to start running, you know, a mile off you’ve giving birth.

[00:42:28] Like no it’s to take it defeated, giving food nourishment. For a few years, you know, get it on, you know, start walking on the treadmill, all that stuff. It’s, it’s constant growth, you know, like, I’m an athlete. So I use kind of, athlete terms kinda sometimes, but you know, whoever your favorite basketball player is, or Michael Jordan, the Lavonne, they weren’t that the fact that they weren’t, that when they were eight years old, they weren’t that when they were 15 years old, you know, it was a lifetime of playing basketball.

[00:42:58] That made them [00:43:00] so great to where they are now. So it’s not like, Oh, like they have the potential. So it’s, they’re automatically habit. It’s like they have the potential now than you did it working. You go to the gym, working out, have a time and keep shooting hoops and eventually see all along the line.

[00:43:14] They’re going to be one of the great, because they’ve put in so much time, so much work into it. And it’s that constant process as a Christian, it’s not like, Oh, well, God should give it to me all at once. It’s like, no, I need to. Keep reading, keep studying. And eventually I’m gonna have to be more powerful and more ready for the world and more ready for anything.

[00:43:34] Luis Urrego: [00:43:34] Amen. I agree with, I agree with you, Michael, because I mean, God could take away things from you right away. And then, you know, you were, you were a smoker and then you, you know, you got, you received the Holy spirit in your life. God can immediately take that desire away from you. He can, and it has happened before.

[00:43:53] But let’s take, for example, Zack, Zack. I know you were saying earlier that one of the things that you were you struggled [00:44:00] with is, was, was music, right. And so how was that process with you regarding, regarding letting go of that type of music in your life?

[00:44:09] Zach Black: [00:44:09] Yeah, so, that’s a good question because, when, when I got the new birth, the desire, all my desires and everything, you know, of course it goes with your desire for it.

[00:44:18] Or anything of the world that goes away. you don’t have any, any of that attached to you,

[00:44:24] Luis Urrego: [00:44:24] but,

[00:44:24] Zach Black: [00:44:24] you gotta remember the devil can come back and work in your spirit realm, you know, and, you know, the like, it’s definitely not something that just knows the way and you never, struggle with it at all anymore.

[00:44:37] Like you walk in somewhere, you hear a car next to you playing a song that you used to listen to. And you start bobbing your head a little bit. You catch yourself.

[00:44:49] So it’s, it’s definitely still it’s, it’s something that you had to keep covered every day for the random said, the devil has, he knows your weak spot just as [00:45:00] much as you know it and whatever that is, you’ve got to constantly keep that covered every day, because that’s what he’ll be hitting on. Every single day.

[00:45:08] So, you know, every, every other fraternity. Yes.

[00:45:11] Luis Urrego: [00:45:11] Whereas, whereas Zack, before you would probably put, be parked next to that car, you know, playing that type of music and, and you’d be like, you wouldn’t feel any, any condemnation. I mean, if you went ahead and start singing with it or, you know, let’s start, you know, moving with it, right.

[00:45:29] Right now, now it’s different.

[00:45:31] Zach Black: [00:45:31] Yeah. Now you feel it, you definitely felt in them. And then if you, if you do, you know, Bob, your head a little bit or something, you know, you go back,

[00:45:39] Luis Urrego: [00:45:39] you feel checked, right? Yeah,

[00:45:41] Zach Black: [00:45:41] exactly. Yeah. And the Holy spirit will always puts you back where you need to be that’s. So the difference, you know, is that you will put in and the place that you need to be.

[00:45:53] Luis Urrego: [00:45:53] Now did your mom and dad tell you to not, to not to do that. When a car stood next to you at a red light, [00:46:00] you know, playing, you know, the latest, you know, whatever pit bull song or, or whatever they listened to nowadays, I don’t even know what they listened to nowadays, but, did your mom and dad telling you not to do that or.

[00:46:11] Or how did that work?

[00:46:14] Zach Black: [00:46:14] No,

[00:46:14] Luis Urrego: [00:46:14] it didn’t.

[00:46:15] Zach Black: [00:46:15] They, they didn’t have anything to do with that. It was just,

[00:46:19] Luis Urrego: [00:46:19] who did

[00:46:21] Zach Black: [00:46:21] that? The Lord did. Definitely.

[00:46:26] Luis Urrego: [00:46:26] Yeah. That’s the point. I’m trying to get to young people. If you’re listening to. Is he, your mom and dad could probably tell you, Hey, you’re not supposed do that.

[00:46:34] You’re not supposed to do that. But until the Lord really gets a hold of you and parents, if you’re listening to, you could be the Holy spirit of, or of your children up to a certain point in their life, but they got to have their own experience with God. There is a point where you are not going to be able to paint them spiritually, unless God really gets a hold of them.

[00:46:54] And so that’s what, that’s what I was trying to bring out with Zach here, regarding, regarding the [00:47:00] music. So go ahead, Zach, you can continue. I think I interrupted you there a few times.

[00:47:05] Zach Black: [00:47:05] Okay. That’s fine. but yeah, so God, definitely one thing I’ve noticed is, you know, all the desires of the world, like I said, they can go away and everything, but you’ll still have little things here and there, you know, just small things that God takes away over time.

[00:47:27] Like sister Shepherd’s dream with the crash coming out at the top of the pyramid. You know, as you grow, you’re going to see, you’re going to be able to look back and you’re going to be able to see those things gone. Like just one, you know, gradually over time as you just keep walking in God, they’ll just, you know, fall off, you know, little by little and God just chips it away.

[00:47:51] You get to, you know, the capstone, which is what we’re all headed towards.

[00:47:58] Luis Urrego: [00:47:58] Amen. Amen. [00:48:00] It’s wonderful to hear young people talking about that capstone sister Shepherd’s dream and, and, and, and, and all these things, you know, that, that, that, you know, as y’all as young believers and church going youth, you know, they, they here all their life, but, they just hear it.

[00:48:16] I don’t re and they’re not really listening to it. It’s not a revelation to them. And so, Michael bringing out an example there from Rome. that it’s not about the law and that that’s wonderful to see young people in this hour. God is going to have young people in this hour, two to manifest him in this hour, he’s going to have witnesses.

[00:48:36] In this, our young, young, witnesses nineteen-year-old witnesses, 20, 21 year old witnesses, you know, he’s going to have them because he said that he will have a broad without spot or wrinkle in this hour. So that’s wonderful. That’s wonderful, Zach. And, You know, I, I identify with Zach a lot as far as, you know, the, the, the music and all those things that when I came to the Lord and, and, and, and, God [00:49:00] dealing with me in my life when I was young, music was a big thing for me as well.

[00:49:04] But I, I definitely understand him in that, in that way. And, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a huge influence, Michael was, was, was, I mean, you don’t have to answer this, but was his music, was music and influence in your life? Is that something that, that, that you had to struggle with?

[00:49:21] Michael Punungwe: [00:49:21] Yeah, definitely.

[00:49:22] Especially since I went to a public school, I wouldn’t listen to all this stuff and listen to, and also, you know, being on the basketball team for four years in high school, you know, basically that book, culture, rap culture, it’s all basically the same thing. So in your, so it’s almost like. All around basketball, I’m around that.

[00:49:41] So it’s always, it’s always going to be there. It’s always an influence, but you know, when the Lord got in my life, you know, that stuff just didn’t appeal to me anymore. You know, just wasn’t appealing.

[00:49:53] Luis Urrego: [00:49:53] They met, they missed it. You know, like you, you listened to, [00:50:00] you know, when you first come to the Lord and everything, and now that, that, that music doesn’t seem to do anything for you anymore.

[00:50:05] Where at one point it would be this high and all these things, you know, as far as you know out, man, it’s awesome. But then it, like, doesn’t do anything for you anymore. Like there’s nothing that could come out of it. Do you think, the, you think that music is one of the things that most young Christians struggle with at the moment is, is, is that one of the things that, that young believers this hour or young people in this hour, is that something that they really struggle with?

[00:50:35] Michael Punungwe: [00:50:35] I think it is because, yeah. Now music is just, it’s one of those universals, you know, like no matter what country you go to, there’s going to be music. You know, music is, is music is as human as piping, you know, a breathing, you know, wherever you go, there’s going to be music. Cause that’s just how we are as humans, you know?

[00:50:55] And it’s. And you know, that, you know, hip hop is like [00:51:00] the biggest, most mainstream music right now. So more of like my, where you’d go that to influence. So, you know, music is just so easy to get swept up into it. Yeah. You know, especially musical spirits, you know, that’s why we sing in church because, you know, once you set that atmosphere and you say no songs and you truly music helps you focus in and Edify a certain spirit.

[00:51:22] Strengthened a certain spirit. So when music, whatever music you listen to, when you saying it’s going to strengthen whatever spirits behind that music. So that’s why, you know, whenever you listen to, what’s going to be basically what you are.

[00:51:36] Luis Urrego: [00:51:36] That’s very interesting is that men, Michael would bring that out.

[00:51:39] It’s going to strengthen that spirit. I like that. It’s gonna, it’s going to make it, You know what, when you go to a, a certain, atmosphere, when you’re in a certain atmosphere, you expect a certain type of music there. When you go to a club, you know, I I’ve, I’ve been to clubs before, but when you go to a club there, you’re not expecting for them to [00:52:00] listen to opera.

[00:52:01] Right, right. It’s a, it’s, it’s, it’s usually dance music or, you know, hip hop type music and, you know, and all that type of music. So that he’s a spirit within itself. When you’re in the opera house, you know, you expect a certain type of music there, you spec opera or classical music playing that’s that’s a spirit within itself.

[00:52:22] And so, and you’re right. You’re right. Michael, is hip hop and rap is a universal music that every culture, every color, every race can listen to it. Not a problem. You know, you don’t find the same thing with, with, with, with country or, you know, even rock has gone to through even the, every, every, every color, every race, every, every nation, but hip hop and rap, I think is, is the one that’s, that’s definitely, I mean, sometimes, you know, you’d be right next to a car, you know, and listening to hip hop.

[00:52:57] You know, and then you look over and [00:53:00] it’s, it’s, it’s a white guy, listened to it, you know, or some Hispanic guy listening to it, you know it, and so it, or you could be an Asian guy listened to it, you know? So it’s definitely a catches every culture. What do you think about that Zach, regarding a is do you think that music is one of the things that young people struggle in this day for them to move on with God that’s hindering them from hindering them from moving on with God?

[00:53:30] Zach Black: [00:53:30] Definitely. Yes. I think music has,

[00:53:33] Luis Urrego: [00:53:33] one of

[00:53:33] Zach Black: [00:53:33] the biggest impacts on anyone’s like spiritual life. I think that depending on what kind of music you listened to, or, it can have a dramatic effect on like the things that you do. it can influence other things in your life that, you know, you wouldn’t have.

[00:53:53] Probably gone to, if it hadn’t been for that music, you know, because it’s such an influence on, you know, just as far [00:54:00] as like the lyrics and everything. even if it’s playing in the background and you’re not really exactly listening to it, you’re just listening to the beat. It’s still, those words are still being spoken and, you know, you’re hearing it subconsciously.

[00:54:12] And I think that that can definitely have an effect on, you know, what you did, but, Yeah. That’s you gotta think again, Lucifer controlled, you know, he was like the, the control. Yeah. The song leader in heaven and, you know, he controlled all the music and stuff. So he knows all about that. How many, if anyone knows about music it’s him.

[00:54:37] So I was, what’s probably the number one thing that he’s going to use to influence the world is music. Hm.

[00:54:47] Michael Punungwe: [00:54:47] Yeah,

[00:54:47] Luis Urrego: [00:54:47] absolutely. He knows how to, he knows how to set the mood. Yes. Yeah. That’s that was, the Bible says that he was the anointed cherub and, he knew how to bring the, the, [00:55:00] the spirit down, I guess.

[00:55:01] And in, in other words, cause he was in charge of, like you said, Zach, he was in charge of worship and worship worshiping God. Right. And so, and so let me ask you, let me ask you brothers this while we’re on the topic of music and this last question I’ll ask regarding music and then we’ll move on. But what do you think about listening to a, you know, Christian rap or Christian hip hop, Christian, rock Christian, country.

[00:55:31]what do you think about that? I mean, let me ask you Michael.

[00:55:37] Michael Punungwe: [00:55:37] Well, front has been many, I guess, to base on this that it’s just not, you know, the gospel music and like, it’s not going to take you that same place if you listen to it, it’s not even thank you the same place, you know? Cause if someone’s aggressively rapping, whether it’s worldly or quote unquote Christian, you know, it’s going to put you in that [00:56:00] aggressively rapping moon.

[00:56:00] So. No, but you know, if you heard that song, it’s going to put you in that, that spiritual mood and put you, you know, like in, you’re going to feel more in tune with your spirituality and all that. So really it’s where does the song take? You me, listen to me. Is it really taking you closer to God or is it taking you to, you know, who would like to be, or someone that, you know, this is the flow of the beat or as it were, whereas you are you’re on something that’s, that’s going to make you feel more at peace, make you feel more in this presence of God.

[00:56:29] Where where’s your music tanky. And think if you have the new Holy ghost and the new birth inside of you, you know, that’ll take you to the right music. This is no matter what

[00:56:39] Luis Urrego: [00:56:39] that’s right. That’s right. Zach, what, what, what do you think? well, I, what I do

[00:56:45] Zach Black: [00:56:45] now is like, if I hear a song in here, when I think about, you know, Stuff like that.

[00:56:53]like Christian, Christian rap, just like really upbeat kind of music and stuff you got to think. Is it satisfying [00:57:00] the flesh or is it satisfying the soul, like, what does it have an effect on? Is it just having an effect on how you feel, you know, the euphoria, anything else, or is it something that would invite the Holy spirit?

[00:57:15] To, you know, come in the room or come in the car, you know? And that’s another thing is when you’re listening to a Christian song a lot, you can usually tell if the Holy spirit likes that type of music or not like, sometimes like, you’ll feel like a sweet presence or, you know, something, but like say if you’re listening to Christian rap, that’s just.

[00:57:42] I mean, it’s, it’s not, it definitely doesn’t invite the same spirit. same Holy spirit, you know, it’s, it’s completely different. Like the lyrics could be talking about God, but the beat and everything else is just, it’s only satisfying the flesh. It’s like an [00:58:00] excuse, you know, to listen to that type of music.

[00:58:04] Luis Urrego: [00:58:04] Yeah, that’s an interesting point because my thing is with it is, is that if you, you, you always look at where it originated from where that type of music originated from. Did it originate in the church? Did it originate within with, you know, in the church throughout history, you see, and, you know, rap and hip hop didn’t originate in church originated.

[00:58:28] It was, it was in actuality. Those are actual, that type of music, rap and hip hop is an actual type of religious type music for them. There’s a row, there’s a religion and you can go back and study all of that, but it’s a religion all within itself. And it really points back to like Africa and points back to like the Muslim type type culture and things like that.

[00:58:51] But that’s another side story, but. then you look at the origin of where the music originated from, and then you [00:59:00] also have to think of yourself. What is that question? one question I always ask myself, you know, if you, you know, should I listen to Christian rock rap, or Christian rock or not and ask yourself, well, is there such thing as that, is there a such thing as Christian, adultery.

[00:59:18] And I would venture to say, people would say no, is there such thing as a Christian lie? No, I don’t. I don’t think there is. So there can be, you know, Christian hip hop and Christian rock and Christian, you know, because just because you have you say that the word Jesus on there few times doesn’t mean that, that it makes it Christian, so right.

[00:59:44] So that’s, that’s, that’s wonderful. Zach, I appreciate. And, Michael, I appreciate your point of views on, on that, on that, on that, on that topic. Yeah. I have a question here that was asked here. Give me just a moment.

[00:59:58] Alright. [01:00:00] So, let me ask you guys this and kind of changing, changing, gears here for just a moment. Let’s talk about, What are your thoughts regarding, dating and courtship as far as when you got, when you got the Holy spirit in your life, did it change your viewpoint regarding, regarding that in your life?

[01:00:16] And I’ll start with you first, Zach, if you want to, I mean, you know, we all, if God has us to be married, he put that desire in us to get to be married. But was that viewpoint changed in your life when you got the new birth in your life? The Holy spirit in your life?

[01:00:34] Zach Black: [01:00:34] Yeah. well,

[01:00:35] Luis Urrego: [01:00:35] for me,

[01:00:36] Zach Black: [01:00:36] when I was, it definitely changed.

[01:00:38]but, when I was, you know, dabbling in San and everything, I wasn’t looking, like for like a relationship per se, because. I knew that my parents of course wouldn’t agree with that and then everything else. So I, I definitely like stayed away from forming, like any kinds of relationships with, [01:01:00] with anyone.

[01:01:01] Well, when I, when I got the new book, my take definitely changed, you know, like now I’d say like, I just want. I’m sure any Christian Guy just wants someone who would be a good God fearing a woman, you know, a good mother, a good wife who can actually take care of a family, you know, take care of the house and, you know, everything else take care of.

[01:01:29] You don’t have to raise. Your kids up in the, in the right way that they should be raised. So in that, in that aspect, it’s definitely changed a lot, definitely from, you know, looking at the world’s point of view of what, you know, what the, the, the type of girl that you would want to relationships should be, it’s definitely changed from that to.

[01:01:49] A good, Holy ghost spilled Christian woman.

[01:01:53] Luis Urrego: [01:01:53] Do you think, Zach, before I go to Michael with the same question, but do you think that a mother, for example, you are, [01:02:00] you are your mother’s son, do you think that a mother shapes helps, helps to shape that? you know, that type of thought process in, in their, in their son?

[01:02:10]sorry, my camera, my camera just went off. You guys still hear me? Okay. Alright, give me just a second here. Do you want to try to bring it here? Do you think that, that, that a mother helped shape that type, that type of thought process in a son? you know, if the mother, if the mother has godly.

[01:02:31] Yeah.

[01:02:32] Yeah,

[01:02:32] Zach Black: [01:02:32] definitely. It definitely has an effect on, like a, if you know, your parents. like, you know, love each other and your moms, you know, they’re always trying to raise, you know, trying to raise you and the right way and, teach you things of the word and, things like that, you know, and you can see that you can see the, the aspects of, you know, good guy live woman.

[01:02:56] That’ll definitely have a huge impact

[01:02:59] Luis Urrego: [01:02:59] for [01:03:00] sure. It would make, would it make you want to have a war that your future wife make you want it to be like, like, like, like that, right? Yeah, exactly. If

[01:03:10] Zach Black: [01:03:10] you, if you can see, how much your parents love each other and everything, you know, it’ll definitely make you want that, you know, you’ll want the same kind of relationship with your future spouse.

[01:03:20] Luis Urrego: [01:03:20] Amen. Amen. Yeah. And I would think the same thing with a, with a father and a daughter as well. a daughter it’s a daughter is going to look for, for a man that was like her, her, her father, because that was her head for a long time. And so if her father was a sleazebag, you know, then that’s, that’s what she’s going to be looking for.

[01:03:43] You know, if you’ve heard it. Well,

[01:03:50] you know, if he was, if he was just no good, you know, and mistreated her or whatever, and wasn’t a provider for the home, wasn’t any spiritual leader at all. [01:04:00] that, what else are you going to expect? Yeah, it doesn’t happen all the time, but, but that’s the kind of testimony that she saw. So what else do you expect for that, that, that girl to look for in a man?

[01:04:11] So, what about you, Michael, was your perspective regarding dating and courtship and, and, and your point of view of, of what to look for in a wife. Did it change when you, when you came to the Lord, when you got, when you got the new birth?

[01:04:28] Michael Punungwe: [01:04:28] Yeah, it definitely changed. I definitely want, to find someone who has the same faith as me and I also, I don’t want to.

[01:04:38] You know, become involved with somebody and then have to try and teach them to be a Christian, you know, like that shouldn’t be something you should be doing in the dating, recording process. You know, that, that should be in my opinion. And the way I want to approach is that two people should already be firmly in the word and know what they believe and know how they believe and have the same [01:05:00] doctrine before they ever become involved in that type of thing.

[01:05:04] So, No. I just think it’s very, it’s very important, especially in the, especially for the long run for, for you to know what each other believes and that you believe the same thing that, you know, cause those things were going to come up, you know, in a marriage or in a relationship they’re going to come up and if you think they want, then you’re wrong.

[01:05:24] I mean, you’re going to spend your rest a lot in your life with this person, you know, they’re going to know you and what they’re going to leave you because of you. They don’t know you, you know, so it’s good to know those things and to have those things in order. And also, I think if you want to, if you’re trying to get with somebody when you’re trying to change them or make them this, or make them that, and then you don’t really like that person or else, you might like how they looked, you might like this or that about them.

[01:05:49] But if you really love that person for who they are, you’re not going to try and change them. So if you really need to give us somebody and then try to turn them into a Christian, then I think you with them for the right

[01:06:00] [01:05:59] Luis Urrego: [01:05:59] reasons. You bring, you bring, you bring up a very, very good point. And that is, and that is, well, you know, this guy or this or this girl, you know, they, they may not be serving the Lord at its fullest right now, but I believe they will.

[01:06:17] I’ll just stick with, you know, just kind of stick with it for awhile. What do you think, what do you think about that, Michael? as far as. You know, just kind of waiting it out to see, eh, what the they’ll become a Christian they’ll get the Holy ghost at a certain point. I’m just so much in love. How do you see that?

[01:06:38]Michael Punungwe: [01:06:38] well I think whether Branam said it, but I’m not completely sure, but I think he said, you know, that’s one of the. The easiest ways for the devil to get a man or a woman is to get them involved with somebody emotionally that who’s not really a Christian, it’s one of the easiest ways. And it’s so easy to fall into that, you know, and they’re having [01:07:00] people who have you dated outside of the marriage and it worked out, but I just don’t me personally.

[01:07:05] I’m not going to take that risk. And because, you know, it’s more like a 50 50 thing, you know, some people at work, some people it doesn’t. So I just want to, you know, go to. Another, the path that I think is the most safe. And, you know, I believe that with the Lord wants for me. And that’s what I believe he wants to know.

[01:07:23] Not for me,

[01:07:25] Luis Urrego: [01:07:25] man. Yeah. Yeah. What about shoes? What do you think about a young man or a young girl taking a risk like that? As far as, well, you know, they may not be in the spot that they should be right now, but I just I’m so in love with them, I mean, I know that they love me and, eventually it’ll all work out, you know, what do you think about

[01:07:49] Zach Black: [01:07:49] I don’t. I think that’s the, kind of the wrong approach to take when you’re trying to look for a future, husband or Y I think the right yeah. [01:08:00] Approach would be to, you know, go back to the word and see what the word says about having, you know, a good husband or a good wife, or what brother Brandon says about it, you know?

[01:08:11] Just someone who actually, is trying to, you know, grow in word and who, takes the time to, give, give time to God, to pray, to, you know, read the Bible and to actually discuss those things with you, not just to, be in a relationship in one or something, you know? so, Yeah, that’s kind of my take on that.

[01:08:34] Michael Punungwe: [01:08:34] That also reminds me of, you know, Sampson and Delilah in the Bible or Sampson has this perfect gift from God. And he just has this strength and he keeps God’s word and he said he doesn’t cut his hair. He does all these things, but then on the will of God, and then he meets this girl, who’s not, you know, within his faith.

[01:08:53] And then he just goes off with her and then. He loses everything. And then he, he eventually does go [01:09:00] back and, you know, there’s that one last act, but you know, why even go there? And it’s like, you know, and it’s like, why, why let that let all the blessings God has given to you and the path, you know, that’s, that’s ultimately better for you to just throw that away for, you know, a worldly relationship.

[01:09:17] Zach Black: [01:09:17] Right.

[01:09:17] Luis Urrego: [01:09:17] Right. I also don’t think

[01:09:19] Zach Black: [01:09:19] that God would, lead you. Down that kind of path, like towards someone that actually doesn’t believe fully, like hasn’t fully given himself to God. I don’t think that’s perfect. I think it was, he would, he would give you the best of the best, you know, because that’s what he does.

[01:09:37] Someone who lines up with the word who would actually be good for you in every way.

[01:09:48] Luis Urrego: [01:09:48] Amen. Amen. Amen. To all those things that you both are saying, that’s, those are wonderful, wonderful viewpoints. And that you’re right. Michael, as far as, Samson and Delilah, [01:10:00] Samson knew the word of God, he was raised in the message, you know, so to speak, you know, the word for his hour, you know, yet.

[01:10:11]he, he fell into the flesh too much into the, you know, into the touchy touchy and to the feelings of the, of the matter. And then, and then it got him in trouble. It got him in trouble in the long run. And like you said, yes, he eventually came back, but yeah, he had to suffer. You have to suffer the consequences for the decision that he had made.

[01:10:33] So it’s like, you know, we, we, we, we, we tell our young people, you know, here’s two roads right here, this road right here, they both lead the same place. Right. They both leave at the same place, but this one right here, I mean, you got rocks and you got Collins of all kinds of sharp things and all kinds of things.

[01:10:52] It’s going to lead to the same place. But I mean, you want to go through there when you can go through this road right here. And [01:11:00] the view is more clear, you know, that you might have your foggy moments, you know, things like that, but, it’s more clear it’s more stable and it’ll lead you to that place where you want it to go.

[01:11:11] So why choose this route? And, but I think, I think a lot of it has to do with feelings. I think our young people today, they, they, they go by their feelings too much. Instead of going where I was by what, by what the word says. Do, do you think that, do you think that’s the case, Zach?

[01:11:29] Zach Black: [01:11:29] Yeah, definitely. I think that’s, even, even adults, not just young people, just to go a lot off of feelings.

[01:11:37]a lot of people in a message, just think, you know, it feels something or you feel like God’s telling you something, then that’s the truth. That’s, you know, the right, right thing to do. But you always, always have to take it back to the work, whatever it is, whatever the feeling is. Even if you feel the presence of God, you know, or you’re praying [01:12:00] about something, feel the presence of God, but it doesn’t line up with God’s word that’s, you know, what does that tell you?

[01:12:06] So you gotta to take everything back to the word and that’s how, you know, the will of God.

[01:12:11] Luis Urrego: [01:12:11] That’s very interesting. That’s very interesting. What about you, Michael? What do you think about, about that?

[01:12:18] Michael Punungwe: [01:12:18] well, I think a lot of people like to have that, that title of Chris, but then they just, they want to, and just like, Oh, I’m a Christian and said, but they won’t fully surrender.

[01:12:27] No, but when you, when you’re traveling Chris, I mean truly, you know, fully surrendered. So you will do things or you won’t do things based on whether and not the word says, even as sometimes you as a person. Might not unlike what something in the word says, you will still hinder yourself to, it will be subject to it because you know, you know, God is in control and God is greater than me.

[01:12:51] And he knows, he knows better. What’s best for me, even if, yeah, you feel like, I feel I want to do this, or I think I should do that. I don’t, I don’t really like this, you know, whatever this [01:13:00] says right here in the bottom. But if you’re a true Christian, it’d be like, you know what? I may not like it. I may not think it’s the best, you know?

[01:13:06] Well maybe if I wrote the Bible, I wrote something different, but. This is what God wrote garden, you know, cooking for me. So I’m going to follow this no matter whether I like it or not, or agree with it personally, it’s not about me. It’s about who God wants and I’m going to follow him.

[01:13:20] Luis Urrego: [01:13:20] Absolutely. You know, the Bible says that how can two walk together unless they’d be agree

[01:13:27] Michael Punungwe: [01:13:27] right

[01:13:28] Luis Urrego: [01:13:28] now, now they can walk together.

[01:13:32] But what the word is saying, there is how can they, how can, how can they really have that true fellowship with each other and have things in common? They don’t agree on the same foundation. And that is the word of God. And so that is so, so important, to have the foundation for both parties, both the guy and the girl.

[01:13:59] To have [01:14:00] that foundation as being the word of God so that they could build that relationship, that relationship upon the foundation of the word. Amen. Before we continue, Michael and Zach, man, this has been, this is, this is good. This is good. Like, man, I’m really enjoying everybody. We still got people up, up here, here, and, you know, all kinds of different thing.

[01:14:22]comments coming in, The Daniel coffee Kofi says, amen.

[01:14:29] Yeah, brother Mario Prado. He’s a brother from Nicaragua. He says, Oh, Allah.

[01:14:44] They’re living. They got mine on Mario. I man.

[01:14:52]I just let them know that we’re praying for them and, greetings to his wife and family for the Roger Rodriguez. He says, no, both [01:15:00] of them greetings to my brother are the Rogers he’s in Tennessee, man.

[01:15:04] Zach Black: [01:15:04] God bless

[01:15:05] Luis Urrego: [01:15:05] you. Yeah. Bless you brother. Roger. They live in

[01:15:11] Sister Mary Brewer says, amen. I always take it back to the word to the word.

[01:15:17] Michael Punungwe: [01:15:17] Amen. God bless you system.

[01:15:20] Luis Urrego: [01:15:20] God bless you, sister. Mary’s good to have you here listening to us all the way from Japan.

[01:15:25] Michael Punungwe: [01:15:25] Oh

[01:15:26] Luis Urrego: [01:15:26] yeah. This is Mary’s pen right now on the other side. So we right now it’s eight 24 in the morning over there.

[01:15:33] Wow.

[01:15:34] Michael Punungwe: [01:15:34] Wow.

[01:15:35] Luis Urrego: [01:15:35] Eight 24 number the next day, the following day. So yeah. Sister, Trudy. She says, well-spoken brothers. I’m proud to call you guys. My brothers. God bless.

[01:15:47] Michael Punungwe: [01:15:47] Thank you. Since then.

[01:15:49] Luis Urrego: [01:15:49] God bless you. Sister, Trudy, greetings to brother Kern there and appreciate you tuning in and, or the Cornell board Levin says enjoying this very much.

[01:15:59] God bless you [01:16:00] all.

[01:16:03] Okay. It’s good to have you here with us listening in and appreciate. One of your family members here on this, on this episode, praise the Lord. You need to see your family. Amen. Wonderful, wonderful brothers. you guys have a few more, several more minutes to spare. Yeah. I told them an hour and a half, but, it looks like we might go the full two hours.

[01:16:28] I don’t know. Yeah,

[01:16:33] we still have people here. I mean, they just keep, they keep tuning in some, you know, and, Got several listeners on YouTube, several listeners on Facebook, on the 10,000 worlds page. And hopefully this content is, is, is blessing you. And hopefully we have some young people, some parents here listening to as well.

[01:16:50] And we have a brother Michael and, and, and brother Zack black brother, Michael  here with us and, both young Christians and trying to serve the [01:17:00] Lord in this hour. But, you know, it’s not what you do. It’s not what you try is, is letting God just do the work in your life. And when he does work in your life, he does it perfectly.

[01:17:10] And so that’s what, I believe that brother, Michael and brothers, Zach is trying to. Tell, our young, young believers in this hour, you know, they’ve gone to, they’ve gone to, youth meetings, youth camps throughout their years. And things like that have probably seen a lot of different, young people in different situations.

[01:17:25] And they’ve experienced different things, but until God really gets a hold of your life and when it’s God, there’s no way that you can go back. And so that’s wonderful brother, Zack and brother, or the Michael, Hey real quick, brother, Michael, let me ask you this. Before we continue, they call you, they call you Mike penguin as well, right?

[01:17:47] Michael Punungwe: [01:17:47] Yes, they do.

[01:17:49] Luis Urrego: [01:17:49] You know, I used to see that, I can’t remember why, where I saw it before, but I used to see it somewhere. And, and, and so I always wonder why, why, why penguin, but why is it that [01:18:00] they call you Mike penguin?

[01:18:02] Michael Punungwe: [01:18:02] I was cause, well, my real last name is . What did you know, growing up, you know, it’s not, it’s not very common name, so, and you know how kids are, you know, they like to make fun of poke fun at other kids.

[01:18:13] So my name kind of stuck out to them and penguin was one of the nicknames. They came up to me and as I got older, I just kind of embraced it and, you know, I kind of accepted it and. No, I like it now. So

[01:18:26] Luis Urrego: [01:18:26] yeah. As long as, as long as spiritually, you don’t feel like a penguin cold. Yeah.

[01:18:36] Yeah. I noticed that when I, when I came here to the States as well, and, people that know how to say my last name, my last name is in Spanish. It’s , you know, if you can roll your hearts

[01:18:47] Michael Punungwe: [01:18:47] reg.

[01:18:49] Luis Urrego: [01:18:49] If you can’t roll your RS, it’s your rego. So, so some of them, some of them did, they would just see my name for the first time.

[01:18:56] And they, I would say it was Ragu or,

[01:18:59] Michael Punungwe: [01:18:59] or,

[01:19:01] [01:19:00] Luis Urrego: [01:19:01] or Prego. And I’m like, Those are all tomato sauces, what in the world? So, but yeah, I know how that is when people change, your name is just for them to be for them to, to be easier for them to say it. So, yeah. Well, moving, moving on, let’s shift gears again. Michael and Zach, let, let, let’s talk about a little bit regarding, Regarding your, your, your parents, you know, in the influence that they have in your life.

[01:19:28] I know we’ve touched a little bit upon it, but, I’m at, do you think that parents have an influence in shaping the thinking, you know, your thinking regarding spiritual matters, in general things in life, what could start with you, Michael first?

[01:19:42] Michael Punungwe: [01:19:42] Absolutely because, especially in the Bible says, you know, lead up a child in the way they should go and they won’t depart from you when they’re older.

[01:19:49] So. Your parents are your very first, you know, contact with the world. And I have to think what, what hurts a lot of young people today, or, you know, people [01:20:00] who, young people who leave the message is that they grow up. And, well, I don’t want to, you know, talk down to anyone, but I feel like some people might grow up in insincere households and then, you know, maybe that they see, they grow up seeing that, and then they don’t believe it’s real because.

[01:20:16] You know, their, their mother or their father isn’t really, you know, surrendering the way they should be. And then they grow up seeing that. And now they’re like, well, they’re faking it, everyone’s faking it. And it’s just, you understand, we just started church to talk to people or are we going to church to have food or, you know, whatever the case might be.

[01:20:34] So I think if you have two parents who are truly sincere, Then you will grow. You’ll see that in your, you know, gravitate towards that. Cause that’s what you’ve known him. You know, living that life, you know, brother Branham said, anyone can preach a sermon. Can you live on, I think it’s our job as individuals and as Christians to live a sermon.

[01:20:55] And not just to tell people that you can talk all you want, but you know, if [01:21:00] people see you living that life and they see you prospering and doing your thing, you know, they’re going to want to be a part of that. If they see you living it. Because you can talk and talk and talk and anyone can talk and talk and talk, but they see putting in the work that she’s doing it, then they’re gonna, they’re gonna say, Oh, he he’s doing it.

[01:21:16] He really believes it. So maybe that’s what I needed to do. And maybe I need to explore that. Cause he, whatever he, whatever he believes in, he’s actually doing, he’s not just talking about he’s actually doing it. So they’ll see that. And then respect. Yeah. Much more than that. You just, you know, talk, talk to them for an hour.

[01:21:31] Doesn’t respect watching your life much

[01:21:34] Luis Urrego: [01:21:34] more. That’s powerful. What you just said, Michael. That’s how, as a matter of fact, they even challenges me as a parent. I think young people, the, do you think that young people would rather see a life instead of just hearing a about, about a life?

[01:21:52] Michael Punungwe: [01:21:52] Absolutely. Cause I feel like, and sometimes it even happens in, to ministers when they want their kids to act a certain way because they feel like they don’t want to be perceived a [01:22:00] certain way or this or that.

[01:22:01] And, I remember even hearing too, going back to brother Steven coffee’s episode, I, I really liked the episode. And he said that, you know, the parents never forced him to act a certain way. Like whatever, whatever his parents expected get up. And it wasn’t because he is, but that was a minister. It was because we love them.

[01:22:18] This would need to do is what you want you to do, you know, in terms of the last year with the Lord. And it wasn’t about keeping your parents up in front of the church, it was about, they generally one of his sons. To be living a godly life. It wasn’t about, you know, let’s look good in front of people.

[01:22:33] Let’s actually do this because we truly believe in we’re sincere.

[01:22:39] Luis Urrego: [01:22:39] Amen. Amen. That’s that’s powerful. That’s powerful brother, Michael, and, and it’s, it’s so true because, We can talk to them the day and night to our, to our children. And as I speak as a parent, I speak to any parents that are listened to right now, we can talk to them day and night, [01:23:00] even show them flow charts of how things are and, and, and, and, and just give him all kinds of data and all kinds of things.

[01:23:07] But if you’re not living that life, I mean, that is what’s going to speak volumes, you know, your life speaks louder than words and, And that definitely, I want more of that life in my life. You know, it’s more than, than just speaking and words I want, I want it to be an example for my children. What do you think, Zach, on your end,

[01:23:29] Michael Punungwe: [01:23:29] I want to add a little bit more.

[01:23:31] Go ahead. Because I think a lot of people might think that, that their kids like are just, Oh, they don’t, they don’t understand or they’re young and they won’t, they won’t pick up, but they’re not listening, but your kids, especially. I don’t have children. So, you know, it’s like what I say with a grain of salt, I guess.

[01:23:47] Luis Urrego: [01:23:47] I hope not.

[01:23:50] Michael Punungwe: [01:23:50] I hope I know that I know. No. Yeah. Your children, you know, when those developing years, you know, everything is [01:24:00] the reason kids take in so much is because they’ve had zero experiences. So every new experience is like this huge thing to them. So, especially in those very young years, when they’re there watching you more than anything, because as far as they know you or you and your wife, you and your husband are the, like the two people they’ve known forever and you guys are essentially got to them because they, all they know is really as you and your wife or you and your husband, that’s all they know.

[01:24:32] So, whatever you do, they’re watching you like more than they’re ever willing to alive. Like when they’re eight years old, they’re watching more than when they’re 15, because all they know, like you’re just more central in your life. The more they depend on you, the more they watch you. So, especially in those younger, I think young years, I think it’s important to emphasize that Christian life and to really.

[01:24:54] Lived that life in front of them and show them that, yeah, this is this, isn’t just something we put on for church. This is what we have to do. So [01:25:00] how we live, and this is what we actually, we desire this for you because we’ve experienced in our lives. And I think that’s important to have in those young developmental stages.

[01:25:09] Luis Urrego: [01:25:09] Amen. Amen. Because it ingrains things in their mind. And I definitely agree with that. that’s definitely true because once they get to be a teenager, that’s when they start that’s when they start.

[01:25:25] Michael Punungwe: [01:25:25] Yeah

[01:25:26] Luis Urrego: [01:25:26] that time, you know, at five, six, seven, eight years old, do you know, you can, you can tell them, you know, this, this is how this is, this, this, and as a matter of fact, you can even get away with telling them, they, they ask you why? Well, because I said so, you know, and then, but it’s not like that. Once they become a teenager, they they’ll want to know why.

[01:25:46] They’ll want to know, you know, what’s the reason what’s the purpose. And so, but if you’ve trained them, like you said, Michael, like the word says in the way that they should go and when they would get older, they would not depart. That doesn’t mean that they may not [01:26:00] stray. They may not. They may stray from, from it for a while, but you’ve ingrained that word in their heart.

[01:26:05] Then that word will bring him back. If you. Put them in the Lord’s hands. How about, how about you, Zach? What do you think that parents have an influence in, in, in shaping the thinking of, of young people regarding spiritual matters or even general things in life?

[01:26:23] Zach Black: [01:26:23] Yeah, I mean, I think what Mike said was awesome, I think that was a great explanation of

[01:26:29] Luis Urrego: [01:26:29] absolutely absolutely

[01:26:32] Zach Black: [01:26:32] cause parents.

[01:26:32] Yes, they definitely have.

[01:26:34] Luis Urrego: [01:26:34] He’s going to do the next youth meeting.

[01:26:40] Zach Black: [01:26:40] Alright. Yeah. but, yeah, definitely like in their, early earliest years, they’re watching you, they’re watching everything you do. You know, you’re taking your, the parents are bringing them to church and you know, they’re watching, they’re listening, even if you don’t think they’re listening, they’re listening to what preacher’s saying, and then they’re going home and they’re also [01:27:00] watching you.

[01:27:01] So they’re going to, you know, put two and two together, you know, are the parents actually living the life that no, the, the pictures, you know, talking about or, you know, And are they actually, you know, they’ll talk about God, you know, or the parents, if they’re talking about God, are they actually living what they’re saying to the kids?

[01:27:24] You know, that’s a big thing. That’s one

[01:27:26] Luis Urrego: [01:27:26] thing

[01:27:27] Zach Black: [01:27:27] is, are you practicing what you preach? So,

[01:27:31] Michael Punungwe: [01:27:31] yeah,

[01:27:32] Luis Urrego: [01:27:32] that’s absolutely.

[01:27:34] Zach Black: [01:27:34] Yeah.

[01:27:36] Luis Urrego: [01:27:36] Absolutely. Do you, let me ask you this, Zach, and I know you’ve expressed this before, but ever since you got the new birth, do you have a more, a newer appreciation for your parents? Yes,

[01:27:48] Zach Black: [01:27:48] I can definitely say that.

[01:27:49] I do. I think without them and their prayers, I probably wouldn’t be where I am now, with, you know, the new Bern, And definitely like [01:28:00] growing up and seeing them live the life in front of me, practicing what they said and, you know, going to church and, I couldn’t argue with anything, you know, with, with them, they get like, you don’t do this, you don’t do this because they did it.

[01:28:14] They, they were living the life right in front of me, you know? And that was one thing that I just couldn’t like, I couldn’t get that out of my head. Like they have something. I know they have something that I don’t, and that I know that the world does it. I know that they have something real. I could see that.

[01:28:35] So that had a very large impact on me. And, yeah. And that just scared. It goes to show again, you know, the importance of that, you know, the impact that the parents are on the cake.

[01:28:48] Luis Urrego: [01:28:48] Yeah. Again, going back to that. Living the life living the life because your children are watching. Correct. And like we said earlier, your word [01:29:00] speaking louder than where your, your life speaking louder than words.

[01:29:03]how about you, Michael? Is that, do you see, a better appreciation for your mom and it, when, when, you know, when you became a Christian serving the Lord with all your heart,

[01:29:17] Michael Punungwe: [01:29:17] definitely. And, something that I that’s kind of unique to my situation is that, my mom is divorced and then she never got remarried.

[01:29:27] And I know that, you know, that’s in the word that, you know, when that happens, a woman’s not supposed to be married. I’m not, you know, other people do like, I can’t, I’m not gonna talk about it with control, those same thing about that, you know, that’s other families do, but I know my mom, she never remarried.

[01:29:43] I think that definitely stuck with me when I was like, Oh, like she could have, I mean, it’s not, she couldn’t have, it’s just that she chose not to. And she did it. And that really stuck with me that, you know, cause that’s not an easy thing to do, you know, I’m sure it would be easy to get another man [01:30:00] to provide and do all these things.

[01:30:01] But when she didn’t remarry, I think that really stuck with me, especially when I got the new birth and I realized how profound that was in my life and how much that stood out. And it was like that. Just following the word to every T every line. It just, so it got to me and that, you know,  wants to do the same.

[01:30:21] And, you know, even if it’s something that’s hard to do, or maybe you wish you could do something else or do something easy, you know, you just do what the word says and that’s what you do. And that really influenced me, I think. I appreciate that. I’m thankful

[01:30:34] Luis Urrego: [01:30:34] for them. Amen. What is it? The reason why I bring the thing regarding the parents?

[01:30:40] Just because I think sometimes, our, our young people, especially if they almost come to a point where they begin to kind of load or kind of, Low meaning, you know, kind of, I guess, hating their parents, you know, and th th the order they get, they get in their way of them, you know, doing what they want to [01:31:00] do.

[01:31:00] But in reality, you know, when God is, you know, comes into your life, you see your parents now is not as a stumbling block for your life or a hindrance in your life. But actually they were there to help you and guide you the whole time until you get your own wings and then, and move on with your, with your life where God wants you to, to be at.

[01:31:24]what would you say to the young person right now, Zach? Who, who, who may be struggling right now, seeing their parents that way, even in the message, you know, Oh, my parents are just, you know, they’re just, you know, what’s the word? what’s the word I’m looking for? They’re they’re just, Legalistic or, or, you know, it was just too many rules and they get in the way of me wanting to do the things that I want to do.

[01:31:44] What would, what would you say to that, that, that person, that, that young man, that young girl that may be thinking that way right now? I think I would say,

[01:31:54] Zach Black: [01:31:54] just, look at, what, what, what would. Cause you to, to follow the rules that [01:32:00] they, maybe your parents are following, or why or why look at the reason why they’re, why you think they’re being legalistic or, you know, pushing the rules, into your life.

[01:32:12] It’s because they want the best for you. They want, they want to bring you up, you know, in the admonition of the Lord. You know, in the best way that they, that they see fit and, they don’t want, they, they want you to, they want to see you grow up to, you know, serve God and live for God. And, they don’t want to see you, you know, grow up to, you know, you know, just go out in the world and, just be doing whatever, because if they know the truth, you know, that they know that that’s, that’s not good.

[01:32:44] A position for them to be in,

[01:32:46] Luis Urrego: [01:32:46] right.

[01:32:46] Zach Black: [01:32:46] regarding their soul, you know? And, so yeah, I would just say, just kind of look at the reason why they’re doing that. You know, what, what’s the purpose of that? They’re not just trying to be mean or, just controlling or anything [01:33:00] it’s because they want the best for you

[01:33:03] Michael Punungwe: [01:33:03] may man, your future.

[01:33:05] Zach Black: [01:33:05] So.

[01:33:06] Luis Urrego: [01:33:06] Amen. Amen. How about you, Michael? What would you say to the young man, young woman who thinks that way right

[01:33:12] Michael Punungwe: [01:33:12] now? No, I can understand that people like that are coming from, but you kind of have to look at, you know, where, where is your parents’ heart set? You know? Cause knowing none of us, no, one’s perfect and they’re not perfect parents.

[01:33:24] And when you’re a kid, you’re not going to be a perfect parent, but you have to realize what they’re trying to do and where their hearts are. They they’re not, you know, They’re not your parents. Aren’t against you. You know, there’s not some conspiracy. That’s like your parents are against you trying to harm you or hinder you there.

[01:33:40] They want you, they want the best for you. You know, they’re not, they’re not gonna make your life miserable. They, they believe that way for a reason. And they want you to believe the same way because they believe it’s beneficial for you. It’s not because they want to just be mean to you or, you know, don’t want you to be happy cause they want that for you.

[01:33:57] But they want also want you to be the work of the Lord. You [01:34:00] may not understand it right now, but. Just trust them and love them because they love you.

[01:34:05] Luis Urrego: [01:34:05] Amen. Amen. Absolutely. they were, they were, you were actually, if our young people just think of it this way, you were given as a gift to them, you know, God gave you to your parents as a gift to them.

[01:34:23] And, and so when somebody gives you a gift. That’s, you know, that’s special to you, you know, you want to take care of it, right? And that gift, that gift as, as you, as the child, as you, as the young man, the young woman that was given to your parents, you are you as that gift always takes the, take your mom and dad, back to the, to the giver.

[01:34:50]they always reminds you of the giver that gave you that gift. So in everything that they want to do and everything they’re trying to help you, then you might think that they’re getting in your [01:35:00] way of achieving what you want to achieve. But you always think back and like Zach was saying, you know, think back, what is their motive behind it?

[01:35:07] All they want is take care of that gift. Take care of that gift. That cause you are a gift from God to them and they just want to, they want to take care of that gift. Do you see. So, it’s so, so important. So awesome. Hey, Michael, Zach, before we continue, let’s, let’s say hello to, to brother, Romero Knight.

[01:35:28] He’s a brother from, from Cina and Degas, Nicaragua. So he says, Hey, Michael, why don’t you go ahead and read that right there.

[01:35:37] Michael Punungwe: [01:35:37] lesbian big. No, those increased use us saloons. The.

[01:35:49] That was okay.

[01:35:51] Luis Urrego: [01:35:51] That was good. That was actually pretty good. God bless you, brothers in Christ. Jesus greetings from Tina and Degas and Nicaragua.

[01:36:01] [01:36:00] Michael Punungwe: [01:36:01] Bless you brother.

[01:36:03] Luis Urrego: [01:36:03] The 11

[01:36:09] sister, Mary Brewer. She said, yes, it’s actually 9:00 AM now. Actually nine, eight. Yeah, eight, 9:00 AM. She says. And I’m sitting on the beach listening to you guys, so, Oh my goodness. That’s just awesome sister. Yeah, praise the Lord. Enjoy it. Enjoy it. Well, well you can. Amen. sister Lisa Dale. She says so proud of our two precious young man.

[01:36:39] Well-spoken guy love to see what God has done in your lives. Keep on believing. God bless you both.

[01:36:47] Michael Punungwe: [01:36:47] Thank you.

[01:36:49] Luis Urrego: [01:36:49] Thank you, sister, Lisa. God bless you. And thank you for tuning in and watching, share it with people. Sister, Mary again, says amen on that. None of us young [01:37:00] people would be where we are without them of our precious

[01:37:02] Zach Black: [01:37:02] parents.

[01:37:04] Right.

[01:37:05] Luis Urrego: [01:37:05] And, and to that sister, Mary, I say, amen. I personally say, man, because I know that I would not be where I’m at, if it wasn’t for my mom and my dad praying for me. and I think brothers, Zach, you could say the same thing too. It wasn’t the prayers. I think you’ve expressed that before, right. To be

[01:37:23] Michael Punungwe: [01:37:23] parents.

[01:37:25] Luis Urrego: [01:37:25] So that is, that is definitely a, an amen to that brother. Ryan says, God bless you, brothers. We love the conversation from Ryan and Gabby.

[01:37:37] Michael Punungwe: [01:37:37] Do you ever see

[01:37:38] Luis Urrego: [01:37:38] that? Amen. God bless you, brother. Ryan’s good to see you here. And, hope hopefully that you all are doing well. And, I’m not sure if you all guys are back from vacation or not, but if not, Hopefully you enjoy the Lord.

[01:37:51] Bless you.

[01:37:55] Michael Punungwe: [01:37:55] Good to see you, Danny.

[01:37:57] Luis Urrego: [01:37:57] I hope he says amen [01:38:00] again. He’s a, I guess that’s the same person, right?

[01:38:04] Michael Punungwe: [01:38:04] Yeah. Then,

[01:38:06] Luis Urrego: [01:38:06] amen. God bless you, brother. Daniel. You bow from Atlanta. Oh, okay. Okay.

[01:38:11] Michael Punungwe: [01:38:11] All right, Tony.

[01:38:13] Luis Urrego: [01:38:13] Yeah. That’s okay. All right. All right. Okay. Well God bless you, brother. Daniel. It’s good to have you here listening with us and, really see your, your dad and your, and your family, praise the Lord.

[01:38:26] But he, something said that would be a blessing to you. so, okay. We have one here. Donna, Donna rim are beautiful testimony to these young men. Very inspiring.

[01:38:37] Michael Punungwe: [01:38:37] Thank you, sir.

[01:38:40] Luis Urrego: [01:38:40] Yeah. Bless you. You know, I I’ve always say this, Michael and Zach, that, you know, when you serve the Lord and you really, you know, really dedicate your life to God, you may have to give up some, some of your friends in life, you know, and that, and at that moment, you know, maybe local friends, she went to school with and stuff like [01:39:00] that, but God gives you so many other friends.

[01:39:03] After that, and it’s not brings in a local area, but it’s friends around the world. I’ve never had so many friends in my life and, and, and people that I’ve met. If I wasn’t serving God, you know, it’s opened the doors for more opportunities to get, to meet new people. Whereas when you’re just there, you know, serving the world.

[01:39:25] And so you’re just there in that, in a local, in a local area, just hanging out with your own little friends and your own little group and just your own little world there locally. But when the God, when you’re serving God, it opens up a whole different Avenue for more people and cause there’s believers in the bride of Christ as a universal bride.

[01:39:43] So it’s a wonderful thing. Wonderful thing. Well, brothers, we got, we got 10 minutes and I don’t want to keep you guys too much longer, but I wanted to ask you guys this real quick and we’ll start with you, Zach, what are you [01:40:00] most excited about as a believer in this hour? What excites you the most in this hour?

[01:40:06]Zach Black: [01:40:06] and this hour, the fact that. I think what excites me the most is how close we are to the body change. I believe you can just see the time, look at the times and, you know, see, you know, we’re being fulfilled and everything and know that we’re closer than ever. And, also just to, I’m excited just to be, just to grow, you know, in God and just to, I get so excited every time.

[01:40:33] His words open up and reveal to me, it’s just such a blessing and to be able to go to church and to, still be able to go to church and hear the true word, you know, a good teaching ministry is just really a blessing. And, yeah, just to, just to, get to know God more and, and have my relationship grow stronger with him.

[01:40:55] That’s what I’m really looking forward to. As my [01:41:00] journey goes on.

[01:41:02] Luis Urrego: [01:41:02] That’s awesome. I don’t think that, I think that a true believer is, is looking for that, that, that body change. That’s a, that’s a desire. And I don’t think, Not a, you know, a believer is not going to be thinking and desiring that in this hour or be it, or get excited about that.

[01:41:19] So that’s wonderful brother, Zack, and I feel the same way with you. What, what about you, but brother Michael, what are you most excited about as a believer in this hour?

[01:41:29] Michael Punungwe: [01:41:29] I definitely agree with Zach, you know, I think, our church has a wonderful teaching ministry and, I’m excited to, you know, learn more and missing one in Glenmore from the services and all that.

[01:41:40] I’m excited for, you know, more revelation of the word I’m definitely excited from for God to use me more. And, you know, it’s, that’s really, one of the joys of life is just, you know, and God can have to use you to help someone and bring you, or just bring someone closer to Christ or just be there for someone one day in their time of need, you [01:42:00] know, just it’s wonderful to have, or see that change and see God using you in your life.

[01:42:05] And that’s, that’s one of the really wonderful things. I enjoy that very much.

[01:42:09] Luis Urrego: [01:42:09] Amen. Amen. For the viewers that are viewing right now. And for those who will listen to the podcast, cause this, this interview is going to be turned into a podcast. And you’ll you, on the 10,000 worlds podcast, I just want to make it clear.

[01:42:22] That we did not rehearse any of these, of these, answers that they are giving right now, both of them have said that they, I really enjoyed the teaching ministry at the church. They enjoy the ministry at a church. I’m a minister there. And, I, I never told him to say any of these things. It’s just what God has laid in their heart, the importance of the word that they have seen the value of the word.

[01:42:52] And so in their heart, that’s what they, that’s what they’re, that’s what they’re expressing. So I want to make that clear to the viewers [01:43:00] and to our young people that may be listening when God is in your life. You’re going to see the word and preaching and going to church in a different light than, than what you have in the past, because now it’s not you living because I have to go to church or because I have to sit there and you know, but it’s Christ in you, the Holy ghost, trying to feed you, read off his own word.

[01:43:24] And that’s the only thing that though that the word that the Holy ghost can feed off of it is his own word. So, what would you say about that? Michael, well, Zach, let’s go with that. Okay.

[01:43:35] Zach Black: [01:43:35] I would say that, yeah, the, well, like when I, when I got the new birth, I, I definitely saw the going to church and, just listening to whoever’s on the pulpit has in a completely different light it’s it’s as if like you’re actually going.

[01:43:51] To feast, you’re actually going to, you know, vanquish and you’re sitting there and you’re eating, you’re just eating and eating [01:44:00] and, you know, you never get full because it’s just so there’s an, you can never eat enough. There’s, you know, and you can never know too much about God. And, just for me personally.

[01:44:11]Was it random said like a true believer. Every time the church doors are open, he’s going to want to be in church. And, that’s exactly how I feel. Every time the church doors are open. I just, I just had like this yearning, you know, desire to just to be there because I don’t, I wouldn’t the word and I need the word, you need the word as a true believer

[01:44:31] Luis Urrego: [01:44:31] to grow

[01:44:32] Zach Black: [01:44:32] and to grow stronger and to be able to fight against the devil, the foundation of everything about your Christian life is a word.

[01:44:43] Yeah. I’ll put upon that.

[01:44:46] Luis Urrego: [01:44:46] Amen. Absolutely. What about you, Michael? What would you say about that?

[01:44:52] Michael Punungwe: [01:44:52] I kind of have a little bit of a tenant testimony regarding that, you know, wow. You have the new birth, you know, you know that, you have to know that God is moving in your life, you [01:45:00] know, and I think it was, it was, my other thing was early this year.

[01:45:03] I think it was January, February where, you know, I was. I was enjoying coming and I was, I was having so much, a good time to going to church and fellowship and all that. I don’t know something happened. I think, now I had a lot of college classes, a lot of work that’s being consumed with all that. And I got so busy in a lot of things.

[01:45:22] And, you know, you guys have for school and all that. Yeah. I don’t know. Something like almost felt like it was kind of like cold spiritually for awhile. And, you know, I would say, you know, I went to church and I was like, Lord, you know, use that man used a preacher to speak to me, you know? And no, it was one Sunday.

[01:45:42] And I asked for that and you know, it, didn’t what I, what I wanted him to minister, specifically to me, but it didn’t happen that Sunday. But then, you know, I knew that, you know, I agree with the word. No waste preaching is true. Now I’ll take, you know, I’ll take what I have today. And I just, you know, keep moving [01:46:00] on tomorrow.

[01:46:01] So then, you know, I wasn’t like, Oh, God’s not, you know, formula with me or whatever, just because he didn’t do it right then. So I knew, you know, I still had faith that he was going to minister administer me and help me and it was coming. And the next Sunday I came and I said the same little prayer when, when it does come out, I said, Lord, help them in.

[01:46:18] And minister to me, you know, help go with, you, use him and, you know, to bless me, you know, And then time where I was like, I felt like I needed and I I’ve been going to the church for a long time. I don’t think to my memory, this has happened very much, but it was that Sunday with brother Dale, he had, and it’s true.

[01:46:38] For some reason, he just, he had, he just felt like he would ask people. He said, we have many examples here in this church, you know, of all the things that God has done and people were putting people in. Finally give the testimonies. And people kept giving testimony, giving testimonies, and that really, you know, kind of lit my fire back up.

[01:46:56] Yeah. Kind of reinvigorated me. And [01:47:00] it was exactly what I needed at that time. You know? And I believe that, you know, just, just know that it’s a very simple message, but Jesus loves you and he will do things for you and you just believe it will happen. It will happen. And I even remember something, by the way, it said, does anybody want to administer somewhere?

[01:47:19] And then, do you have this whole summer mapped out? He had this, he had that he planned out and then the 2:00 AM 3:00 AM. Lord wakes him up to no, go preach on Abraham, go preach on this. And he’s like, Lord, like he wakes him up at 3:00 AM and says, Oh no, no, no, the whole message. You throw that away. You’d appreciate this to me tomorrow.

[01:47:39] Then he, you know, he scraps it all. He, he goes back, he studies this and you know, the Lord leads him then that, that after that service, he preached. A family came up to him and said, you know, that’s exactly what we were talking to our, our, our families, our sons and daughters or whoever. It was like their children.

[01:47:56] Those are the questions they had last night. And you answered them all in the [01:48:00] sermon. So God will do things for you. What do I have no idea that, you know, that was going to happen? God will move for you. And he will do that for you. You know, he. He’s definitely don’t ever think that he’s, you know, not paying attention or he won’t do things for you.

[01:48:14] Cause he definitely will be one for the weight up at 2:00 AM for, you know, for that family, just for the, and it might have only been that family did that for, you know, for those maybe four or five people, but he definitely pays attention and he’ll do anything. It doesn’t matter how small you may think you are, how you may seem, you know, he will move for you.

[01:48:33] And he definitely moved from me and he’s still doing that. He started to events and so just a little testimony.

[01:48:39] Luis Urrego: [01:48:39] Amen. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you for sharing that, Michael. Yeah. This a God moves in some simple ways anyway, and we know, but we know those are his perfect ways. And w when I ask you guys just one more question, because, and this is a simple question, but before we do that, let’s, let’s just continue.

[01:48:59] I’m in the comments. [01:49:00] Just keep coming in bros. I mean, you guys, you guys, you guys are doing a wonderful job and, and, and, and maybe inspiring somebody yeah. Out there. You see, that was the purpose, you know, before, before we, we, we, we, before we actually started this interview and we went live, we, I, I, I had asked brothers okay.

[01:49:21] To lead us in a word of prayer. And, and I believe that God is, granting that. So I hope that somebody is being, being, being impressed. Somebody is being challenged to take that extra step with God in this hour, because we’re living in a late hour right now. There’s no time to play games. Young man, young man, young woman.

[01:49:39] It’s no time to, to sit back. You know, it, it, you know, in a lukewarm condition, it’s time to serve God with all and, and, and know that you can do it. You can, you, God, can’t take out music out of your life. God, can’t take out the, the, a godly dressing, out of your [01:50:00] life and in your. Potty mouth, like, like both like both by the Michael and Zach said, you know, you, you have a foul mouth.

[01:50:08] I used to have a foul foundation when I was young and the God could take away all of that from you. The only all he asks is that you just believe his word, believe him with all your heart and surrender your pride, surrender your pride to, to, to him and just give him all your burdens. And he is going to take care of the rest.

[01:50:28] And it won’t be like all, all at once. But it’ll give you that piece. That brother, Michael and brother Zack were talking about earlier and a confidence that you can you’re, you can’t do this by his Holy spirit. So a sister, a brother, Joel and sister, Rachel Mo Moyer. They say, thanks. I’m having my son, Zach watching this.

[01:50:50] So God bless you. God bless you, brother. Joel. Sister, Rachel, thank you so much. And it’s an honor to have you here [01:51:00] listening with us. I hope that it’s been a blessing and it’s a blessing to your son. Zach as well. a man, Chris, Joe, Z G says, God bless you, brother from Honduras. Amen. Amen. Praise the Lord.

[01:51:16] You got people all over the world watching right now. God bless you brother. And then some people later on, you know, after this, this is recorded, stays on Facebook. So people later on we’ll watch it again. So God bless you, brother. Chris, Joe, it’s good to have you here. They are living

[01:51:34] sister, Monica black. I, Zach, I don’t think you know, this person.

[01:51:41] Michael Punungwe: [01:51:41] And who is that?

[01:51:46] Luis Urrego: [01:51:46] She said really enjoined, this God is faithful. Put him first and everything else will fall into place. You want to enlighten us who that is, Zach.

[01:51:57] Zach Black: [01:51:57] That’s my mom.

[01:52:01] [01:52:00] Luis Urrego: [01:52:01] So she knew you knew who it was. Yeah, we all, we all knew. We all knew. God bless you, sister Monica, and hope you, and I hope you and brother Bob are enjoying it. I’m sure you are this proud thing to be able to see your son serving God in this hour. And I don’t think any parent would, would wouldn’t think so, but Tom crochet and God bless you.

[01:52:25] My brother. A break to see my young brothers standing for the word. Amen. Amen. I it’s it’s. It’s awesome. And it’s brother, Tom, I’d say that it’s an addiction urging thing for even us as adults to see young people in this hour, serving God. And it motivates you. I know it does to me to see, to see a. You know, young people, like, like brothers, Zach, and brother Michael, and this are serving God.

[01:52:56]before we, before we finish it off and I hate to [01:53:00] finish it off, I mean, it’s going so good. I mean, we could go through so many, any different avenues, but, but we got, we still got, we still got quite a few people here listening and viewing right now, but, we should, there should be a point where we should call it off and I want to respect both of your times as well, but.

[01:53:16] Let me ask you guys this, Michael, what do you have? What is your favorite Bible verse? Do you have a favorite Bible verse that, that, that you’ve always looked to and it’s just really inspired you, in your life?

[01:53:31] Michael Punungwe: [01:53:31] Well, I kind of have a mixed answer to this because my favorite chapter is definitely a songs 27, because I feel like, you know, that really has helped me throughout my life.

[01:53:41] And that’s something that will live to. My favorite, individual verse has to be Romans eight 24. You know, all things work for the good of those who love God. You know, I really, I really love that verse, so I know whatever whatever’s going on. You know, I have that piece and I know that it’s for my good, [01:54:00] because you know, I love God and I believe that’s what he’s doing.

[01:54:02] If he’s doing it for me, it’s my bedroom.

[01:54:05] Luis Urrego: [01:54:05] Amen. Amen. is Psalms 27 or Psalms 37.

[01:54:10] Michael Punungwe: [01:54:10] It’s almost 27,

[01:54:12] Luis Urrego: [01:54:12] because one of my favorite scriptures in the Bible is Psalms 37 and it’s a long chapter, but it’s a, it’s so powerful. It helped me when I was growing in my, in my, my young years. And, and when I was, seeking a wife and things like that.

[01:54:28] Really helped me out. So, so good, good scripture for both of you to read as well.

[01:54:36] Michael Punungwe: [01:54:36] I’ll put it down.

[01:54:39] Luis Urrego: [01:54:39] Yeah.

[01:54:46] Psalms chapter 37. Alright. Yep. I’ll remember it

[01:54:56] Michael Punungwe: [01:54:56] like that. Yeah.

[01:54:57] Luis Urrego: [01:54:57] Yeah, Zach, I can’t believe that’s [01:55:00] 21 or turned into any ones and then

[01:55:02] Zach Black: [01:55:02] getting up there

[01:55:04] Luis Urrego: [01:55:04] next month, right? That is it next month in November, right?

[01:55:12] Zach Black: [01:55:12] You got some breaking up.

[01:55:14] Luis Urrego: [01:55:14] Oh, he can’t hear us. Yours is probably, it was probably means that we were saying that you, you have a birthday next in November, right?

[01:55:25] Zach Black: [01:55:25] Yes. Yeah. November 28.

[01:55:29] Luis Urrego: [01:55:29] That’s your birthday. Okay. What about cheese, Zack? What, what’s your favorite Bible verse?

[01:55:34] Zach Black: [01:55:34] I’d have to say it’s probably as a 41 10 that one’s just always kind of uplift to me. It’s one that I always, you know, remember if I’m ever like, you know, going through, a hard time or, you know, just, I need, Some uplifting.

[01:55:50] I can read it. I actually have it pulled up. I had a pull up.

[01:55:53] Luis Urrego: [01:55:53] No, go ahead. That’s fine. That’s no problem at all.

[01:55:56] Zach Black: [01:55:56] It says fear. Not for I’m with thee, be not [01:56:00] dismayed for I’m like, God, I will strengthen the EA. I will help the EA. I will hold the, with my right hand with the right hand of my righteousness. So yeah, that’s always, I always remember that, you know, whenever I’m going through something and you know, I just need some faith.

[01:56:18] Amen. That’s always with me.

[01:56:21] Luis Urrego: [01:56:21] That’s a really good scripture is that, and, it’s a very encouraging and, kind of goes in hand in hand with, with what the one in Romans that, Michael was, saying that all things work together for good to them that love God. And so, That’s wonderful. let me see, Michael, let me, let me just, for finish it off.

[01:56:42] What would you say? And I’m asking both of you this, but what would you say before we sign off here? any final words that you would like to say, to, young people out there to parents, those that are listening, that you want to leave, leave them with before we sign off.

[01:57:03] [01:57:00] Michael Punungwe: [01:57:03] Well, like I said before, you know, it’s very simple to song that, you know, Jesus loves you. And you know, if you believe that, I mean that, that alone should be so much to you, you know? I think brother Aaron says it well, you know, it says if the story of Jesus on the cross ever gets old to you, you know, Yeah, it doesn’t stir your soul or your spoon out of your mouth.

[01:57:28] You know, he says really that, you know, there’s actually a time I can recall where it was like a year. I think it was two years after I got the new birth we’re your award was preaching at BYC and he preached the story of the crucifixion and he really has an anointing for bringing out the emotion of certain scenes and putting you right there.

[01:57:50] And, you know, he really has an anointed for that. And he, he preached that. And he really, I mean, I think I might’ve cried more that night than I did when I [01:58:00] received the new version. I mean, it was just, he did such a good job with that and a load of really bust us with that. You know, that story is as a Christian, that story should never get old to, to know that Jesus loves you enough to die for you.

[01:58:14] No, it’s just, it’s, it’s it’s you can’t even comprehend it, you know, in our, in our minds, you know, in this plane of reality and we just can’t even comprehend how amazing that is. And I want to leave you with that and say, he loves you. He loves you. He loves you enough to die for you. And to go through all that pain and everything he did.

[01:58:34] Yeah. He loves you.

[01:58:37] Luis Urrego: [01:58:37] Amen. Amen. What about Zach? What would you, what would you say any final words that you would say to our listeners right now, to our viewers, any young people that are out there viewing, right? Yeah. Yeah. So,

[01:58:50] Zach Black: [01:58:50] you guys are kind of breaking up, but, but, one thing I kind of wanted to say is, that it, you know, if you are, you know, a young person seeking a new birth or, [01:59:00] Something, you know, or you just want, you know, a relationship to start your relationship with God.

[01:59:05]Most people think you got to do something or you got to work something up, are you okay? You’re not go to a certain place or getting a youth camp or be in the presence or, you know, something like that. But, it’s just as simple as just taking out of his word. literally just read the word. Take him at his word.

[01:59:27] Take can take what he says and just believe it because he’s already done it for you. He’s already paid the price. He’s already, he’s already done it. All you have to do is accept it. Be tide for everyone. Yeah. Not just no name chose, you know, chosen, you know, a bunch of people that only he chose, you know, that the only they could be saying it’s for everyone.

[01:59:51] That’s right. You know, for everyone to take, hold on and to believe all you have to do is just leave it. So yeah.

[02:00:00] [02:00:00] Luis Urrego: [02:00:00] So the gift of salvation, the gift of the Holy spirit is right there for you. God’s hand in it to you just like this, right? I mean it’s and all you gotta do is just grab it. Right. It’s just as simple as that.

[02:00:15] But, we try to complicate it and it’s right there. And we’re like, well, I don’t know, grab it from this corner or from that corner. No, just grab it, just grab it. It’s right there for you. And I think, I think SAC, I think that’s what, that’s what you came to the revelation in your life. That, that if just believe the word and take it as it is.

[02:00:37] Right.

[02:00:38] Zach Black: [02:00:38] Exactly.

[02:00:40] Luis Urrego: [02:00:40] So. It’s the greatest

[02:00:41] Zach Black: [02:00:41] revelation.

[02:00:43] Luis Urrego: [02:00:43] Amen. Amen. That’s wonderful. Yeah. Amen. Well brother, Zach and Michael, thank you so much for joining us on this, on this, episode on this live broadcast. And, I appreciate each and every one of you. can you guys still hear me? [02:01:00] Yeah,

[02:01:00] Michael Punungwe: [02:01:00] I can hear you.

[02:01:01] Luis Urrego: [02:01:01] Okay.

[02:01:02] I don’t know if my Internet’s cutting off or not, but appreciate you being here with us. Would you be willing to join us at another, another?

[02:01:10] Michael Punungwe: [02:01:10] Oh, sure. Yeah,

[02:01:11] Zach Black: [02:01:11] definitely. Yeah. I enjoyed this a lot. Okay.

[02:01:17] Luis Urrego: [02:01:17] So I certainly did too. And, though for those who are listening, viewing, share with others, if you think that it’ll bless them, and if it’s blessed, you share it with others, this will be turning into a podcast as well.

[02:01:29]and, we’ll, we’ll be published in that, this weekend Lord willing, as soon as we possibly can. And, but just share the content with us and, pray for brother Michael. Pray for brother Zach. That there be young, more young people out there who, who would, look at it, their life and their testimony and say, Hey, I can also be an overcomer and desire.

[02:01:50] Just like brother Michael and brothers. Yeah. Back. So, with that, we appreciate you all. May God bless you. A brother, Michael brother, Zach, you want to just stay here for just a moment. I’ll [02:02:00] end the broadcast, the live part of it, and then we can still be on the other side. So God bless you all. Thank you so much for tuning in and, And, we will see you on the next, on the next step episode.

[02:02:12] And thank you once again for being here with us, may God bless you. And remember everything that you do do not neglect your soul because why your soul is worth 10,000 worlds. So do everything you can to feed that soul. Amen. God bless you all. Good night.