Episode 29: One On One Talk With Brother Burley Williams

Episode Transcript:

Luis Urrego: Welcome to the 10,000 worlds podcast. My name is Luis Urrego, and this is the first time you’re listening to us. We welcome you in the name of the Lord. Jesus Christ. We thank you that you’ve taken the time to listen, and we appreciate you and hoping that you are having a wonderful day, afternoon or evening wherever you’re listening.

And thank God for the opportunity to serve him in this hour, even though we live in an hour, that is so, it’s, it’s, it’s, trying hour and it’s, it’s an hour that that is uncertain, but God has made us, given us certain items, given us certain things. And what is that his word? And that’s the only thing that’s going to feed those 10,000 worlds that are, that are in you.

What am I referring to? Well, that is your soul brother. Brandon referred to that. Your soul is worth 10,000 worlds. And so you, the word of God is the only thing is the only absolute that we have that we can stand upon and it will never fail. So we thank you for tuning in once again, and we’re going to go, go ahead and.

And, and go right to the, to this episode. But I have the, I had the privilege just a few days ago to interview our precious brother, brother, Burley Williams from Pelzer South Carolina. He is the pastor there of Peniel Tabernacle in Pelzer South Carolina. Now, the Pelzer South Carolina is located near Greenville, South Carolina and Anderson, South Carolina, two places where I, where I used to live and actually grew up.

Luis Urrego: All right. Welcome everybody. Thank you for joining us here on this, a live broadcast of the 10,000 worlds. soon to be it, this will, this video will eventually be a podcast, but, for now, it’s going to be a love video and trusting that everybody is happy, have a wonderful day. And they, and that blessings of the Lord are, have been upon you.

And, we just thank God for, for allowing us to have this opportunity to have the Burley Williams here with us on this, From from, from Pelzer South Carolina, from Peniel tabernacle, pastoral, Peniel tabernacle, and Pelzer town, South Carolina. And, the Burley, if you want to greet the, the, the people,

Burley Williams: God bless you. It’s a privilege to be here. I’m really thankful to be here. And I’m actually really thankful for what butter Luis is doing. Having these live interviews, and I can say it eventually turned into podcasts. I think it’s a wonderful thing. God bless you.

Luis Urrego: Amen. So we’ve, we’ve try to get connected to do this for a while.

And, thankfully, Lord allowed us to, to finally get to do this. So for the Burley, can you tell us, exactly, I’ve just been wondering what this Peniel tabernacle. I mean, I know it’s a, it’s a scripture. It’s a BA it’s a name in the Bible, but what exactly does Peniel mean?

Burley Williams: It means, I met Darren face to face and my life has been preserved to me.

You remember this in Genesis chapter 32, verse 30. And that’s when Jacob had fought with the angel and they say, Jacob called the name of the place. Peniel. Well, I have seen God face to face and my life is preserved. Genesis 30, two 30.

Luis Urrego: So for the, so for those that, that, that are just now tuning in. And if you haven’t heard, what, if you haven’t heard the name Peniel it’s in the Bible.

So where the Burley was routed there on, right in line when he named the church there. So, so brother Burley, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and, for many of many people, they know you, I mean, you’ve, you’ve preached around the world. different places and, your ministry really got started, mainly, ministering to the youth.

And that’s how, that’s one of the ways that I got to, that I got to know you. it was, I’d say back in the early two thousands and, administering to the youth and holding them. Youth meetings. I think I met you in Columbia, South Carolina, some somewhere around there. And, but, but how did, how, just tell us a little bit about yourself, how you came to the Lord and, and just share with us a little bit about yourself.

Burley Williams: Actually, it was a,

I can’t remember the year I’m trying to remember the year. It was what was two 20 now. It’s been, I’ve been in the message now, 29 years. So that would make what year? I can’t, my wife knows all this stuff, I think 1993, something like that.

Luis Urrego: Yeah. Early nineties for sure.

Burley Williams: Yeah. Early nineties. I actually come to the message through my wife.

she was, of course, you know, we didn’t have privilege. To grow up in the message. And I guess I could ask some things then when I used my testimony and my heart is for the young people, because me and my wife didn’t have the privilege to grow up in the message. We both come from the streets and, but it’s the grace of God that he kept us together.

And the message came down to a little town, maybe. 50 minutes from Pilsen, actually 50 minutes from my hometown where I was born and raised the message come to us early nineties through period. I’m sure. You know, brother, peer to peer.

Luis Urrego: I know brother Benny and I’ve spoke for him as well.

Burley Williams: Yes. And, you know, my, my wife started going to his church and then her uncle died.

The BD Perry asked, could he come down? When you come to the funeral? They had my uncle fruit and DDX could he maybe set up a tit? And my wife’s grandfather told him, yes, you consider protecting my yard. So that’s how that message came to Lawrence area. And of course my wife was my girlfriend. What was so funny when she started going to church?

I didn’t think it was going to last. You know, I said, Oh, she should be back. But then I began to see her life changed. When I begin to see her life changed. I said, me, this is interesting because I was a book. Okay. Just beginning to change. And she wouldn’t, she didn’t like me to touch her or nothing and just stand off.

And I said, this is not right. So I decided to investigate. I told some of my friends, my girlfriend is no longer the same and it was a preacher. Bless his heart. He’s gone now, but he was coming down and preaching to them. So I assume the preacher was messing up my girl mind. And I decided, I told my friends, I’m going to go down here and meet this preacher.

I said, because this is not right as he has to be a crook. I see he’s from Columbia. He’s a crook. Coming way down here. I said, yeah, that’s a crook. So I got to go meet him. Can make a long story short. When I went to church that time to investigate. I’ve been in church ever since.

Okay. That’s Saturday service, you know, a brother greeted me, brother Harrison. He’s passed on. Now. He greeted me at the door and people smiling, and God bless you, brother. I’m straight off the street. It’s not normal for a man to smile at another man. So that was kind of weird having to mace it, but he was giving me greetings.

And then I went into the church and I sat there and I listened to them saying their songs. And you know, of course I was a critic. Preacher comes out and when the preacher started preaching, I said, Hey, I don’t understand this, but this is, this sounds good. Cause, you know, I don’t, I didn’t have the church background.

Matter of fact, the only thing I ever known as the message, because back in my younger days, I maybe went to church, Easter, Christmas, something like that. But I listened to that brother preach and I said, I can’t explain it, but this is good. This is good. And then after the service, little people started greeting me and I felt uncomfortable, but they were just showing the love of God, you know, I went home, thought about what was happening.

You already had a whole testimony and when we Chuck it up,

Luis Urrego: however you want to do it, brother barely. It doesn’t matter.

Burley Williams: And I don’t want to, I don’t want to go too long with that. I’d like to share some other thing. It starts really. Sure.

Luis Urrego: Well, let me, let me ask you this. Let me, let me ask you this just right before you continue.

One of the things that I remember that you were, that you used to do was a, used to be a DJ. Is that correct?

Burley Williams: I was the professional, this jacket.

Luis Urrego: Yeah, professional disc jockey. The reason why, when you first told me your testimony and brother Burley and me, we’ve known each other now for, for a good while since early two thousands.

And I’ve, I’ve, I’ve gone on trips with him and helped work with him in the ministry, but. When he told me his testimony and he told me that he used to be a professional disc jockey and everything that, that resounded, it sounded to me. I resonated with that because I used to be one of, I wanted it to be something like that.

When I was younger, I wanted to be a DJ. I wanted to be maybe a radio DJ, and I guess all that, all that desire and all that. Now it’s turning into doing something good for God. So

Burley Williams: it’s pretty much this once you’re done, you’re on the mic. Right.

Luis Urrego: Yeah. People asked

Burley Williams: me what do DJ mean now? To me, I said, it means I’m DJ dedicated to Jesus.

There you go. So, yeah, and that was a terrible life bringing that up, but a Luis, being in that type of life, that’s what happened. Made me. Even now sensitive to reason. And I know when I hear good news and I know when I hear bad news,

Luis Urrego: so same thing with me, brother Burley,

Burley Williams: and what the devil has done. And many people don’t realize it.

People say that music is okay, as long as jesus’ name is in it. And that’s what the devil has specialized in this day. Put Jesus name in it. But the music is actually the old RNB hip hop music that I used to listen to. But now they call it gospel something and it’s, and a lot of times, even young people in the message, if they wouldn’t know the roots of some of the music that they listened to, they probably would listen to it.

But they’re more caught up saying that jesus’ name is Eaton, but what they have to realize when thinking about the antichrist spirit, it always had to be close to something what God is doing. I have to have a flavor of Legion and God in it. And it’s not right. So I’m pretty sensitive to those things. But I do know there’s, different things about music.

Cause you met, you might not know this. It was probably seven years ago. No, I would say eight years ago now I was going to do a music video about music. Okay bro. 30, 30 different musics. Going back to the roots of it and be honest with you. But at least when I studied at all, I had come to the conclusion because even though around the message, people want it to pinpoint what is right and what is wrong.

But what I found out, instead of them trying to pinpoint what is white, what is wrong? They was looking at different cultures because of different music. Other words. You go to a Caucasian church, you know, I’m not prejudice. I’m just saying it that way. Somebody can say that music sound country, right? Some people can go to black people.

Church say there’s kind of a little rough. That’s a little hip hop. So people begin to judge things because of culture. But when you come to the end of the day after I’d done all my sturdy, yeah. Some music is obviously wrong. Even in churches, some things are obviously wrong. But when I come to the conclusion with the music, I believe that every individual is going to come to them, to be honest with themselves.

What is the music that I’m listening to? What is it doing to me? Is it entertaining? My flesh? Is it bringing me closer to Jesus Christ? They really going to have, to be honest because. I’ve have had some precious brother and they would say the way black people worship. I still a little too, roughly, but by me being black myself, I can say ain’t nothing really wrong with that music because I know the roots of it.

It’s good music. So they begin to judge thing because of culture and you really, you can’t, you can’t do that. You have to just be honest because this is what I do know. I can go to church. They might not saying that they might not use the same, the courts that we were using, but they’re, but they are playing simple music.

But one thing I do know is that music is right hearts of the people. That’s right. It’s going to be a presence there, and God has gone. If anything wrong, God is not going to honor something. I myself have been here. Churches are watch musicians. And I noticed they were playing R and B chords and people got caught up in RNB.

And then, yeah, I realize we’re dating. I’ve been in church. I watched it, I witnessed it. So it’s a pretty interesting thing, but I’m not critical, but in the least, because I know we come from different backgrounds and so forth like that, I think an individual have to really just be honest. It’s not my bag Brown, not my color, not my culture.

It’s where is this leading me? Giving my God praise. If it given my God honor in this, my spirit, it’s not my soul. Breaking me close to the Jesus Christ. That’s what a person have to be honest with you. Amen. No,

Luis Urrego: absolutely brother barely. I agree. And, and the mainly I think the thing that, that the things that really, I guess, hit each other is because we come from different backgrounds.

You see it’s because. For example, you know, if you were used to being a certain type of music and then you become a Christian and then at a certain church, they’re listening to a certain type of music or they play a certain type of music to you. It might be worse, but, but maybe to that group, maybe they haven’t come to that realization that it is, you know, I’m going to be, I’m just going to be straight, honest with you, brother, barely, but.

I think too, a lot of, in a lot of like, black churches, you know, the music, the music that’s played on a lot of black. Sometimes it’s looked down upon by people. Yeah, because if it’s too strong or it’s too, or the drums are being played too loud and things like that. And so, but at the same time, you know, there is a growth process and everybody that, that, that maybe you’ve come to that they haven’t yet.

And it probably would not, would not, would not be a good idea to sit there and be critical, and not enjoy a service. You see what I’m saying?

Burley Williams: Right. The prophet, God said, God, in your own way, That’s what he said then, and at the same time, but a Luis sometime I can get out of here, not only in black churches and white churches too, but just get out of here.

So I really believe the key thing to it all is being sensitive to the Holy spirit as God for leadership, with the musicians who’s playing and. Because they’re just to be honest with you, I think it’s in the Cod book. It’s a quote that I, I probably could look it up better, better to talk about musicians when it comes to the end of the day.

Every musician, I believe should have the Holy spirit. Amen.

Luis Urrego: I

Burley Williams: believe, yes. Right. I understand. Even as pastors, some young people, they were gifted, you know, they don’t have the Holy spirit, but yet you want to work with them. You know, you want to try to work with them. I don’t understand those things, but still with that, I believe it needed to be some boundaries.

And me and myself personally, like I would tell the young people that play church. I said, if you got to get your grades in school, you got to respect your parents. And I can’t have you listening to worldly music. If you’re doing any of those, I read it for you now. Even play it all India. But I do believe they could respect that.

Yeah. You know, they’re going to be a child. They’re going to make mistakes. Could they grow into, you can deal with it, but they just going to be straight up right. Radical and don’t really have no respect for the parents. You don’t need none of that, you know, on the instrument because it’s going to push your spirit.

It’ll push your spirit through your church. Now what I’m telling you, a lot of pastors, even as an investor, disagreed with him saying, but I just want to let them know I’m broke verbally. And I like being honest. And I go back things and experience of things that I have seen.

Luis Urrego: Amen. Amen. We have right now, we have right now, several people viewing us right now on Facebook and on and on YouTube loves.

And so I welcome each and every one of you who are listening and tuning in just now tuning in again, we have brother Burley Williams, pastor Peniel tabernacle. In Pelzer South Carolina and we were just now discussing right regarding music. He started with his testimony and then I got them off track. And now we’re discussing music.

So we’ll get back to your testimony here in just a moment real quick, brother, barely. But you know, one thing, one thing that I always do rarely regarding, young people, they have a lot of battle with me. Yeah. Music and music is one of the strongest influences out there because Satan. That was what he did when he was, he was the, he was the one who led worship in heaven.

And so he knows all about music and music has been a thing that has affected me as well. Hence the reason why I wanted to be a DJ and things as such, but I always say to the young people, when they ask, when they ask, can I listen to Christian hip hop? Can I listen to Christian rock? It’s got Jesus in it and stuff.

And one thing that I always ask him, I said, let me ask you this. Is it okay to commit Christian adultery? Is it okay to say, to tell a Christian lie? Is it okay to do such and such Chris? And they’ll say no. I said then why is it that it’s okay to listen to Christian hip hop? If you can, you see you can’t Christianize everything.

So, what, what do you have to say regarding that brother Burley?

Burley Williams: Well, one thing what you’re saying about music, if you go into the book of Daniel, When they, when King Nebuchadnezzar had made an image, you gotta remember. That was the beginning of the, that was the first Gentile kingdom, that room, the beginning of the Gentile visualizations.

And you gotta remember when  was talking about how that it came in with unknown terms and things going to go out with unknown tongues. Reading, you know, and reading handwriting on the wall and so forth things that different things that he said, but you also in the book of Daniel to get the people, to come to the image to worship it used music.

It says when you hear all kinds of music, then come. So that was interesting to me. Now you go back to brother Brandon, even when you had the vision. Oh, the bride of America and they brought her Jesus Christ. Each one of them, music was involved. One was dancing to rock and roll music. And Bri was striving to only Christian shows in a March, but both deal with music.

It goes to show you that music is a major important thing today. That’s really attracting people attention because. Look, what’s happening now. Back when I was a little kid, you go to the grocery store, you always heard instrumental music. We call it shopping music,

Luis Urrego: the elevator music

Burley Williams: you go in now, rather you hear hip hop and everything.

Yes. And you go out and try to eat with your family. And, and they play in it that some people might be a little bit holier than I am and they, so it don’t bother me, but it bothers me because that’s where I come from. But I’m seeing this around him, the, what music has done and what the devil would have done to captivate knowledge has gotten people old people.

Like I had an individual told me one time, brother, I don’t see nothing wrong with listen to a little jam, a little slow jazz. As I say something wrong with you, just going back to their own spirit that was in you. You just tried to pull that stuff back up, but it’s wrong. You come up best, stay away from it.

As far as you can get. Now, we got to go out and club. We can’t stop what people are going to do. Who’s going to pass behind, but you gotta remember, he can’t stop birds from flying over your head, but you can stop him from nesting. Right? Music creates an atmosphere. Yeah. I’ve been, you have many different message churches.

I don’t preach then. Every church got an atmosphere of the music that they play and I’ve learned to respect it, but not being critical when, but yet there are some times be my, be me going in that background. I know sometimes when it went too far, I’ll give you an example. I won’t name the church. I was sitting in the pastor’s office.

They was singing the song and I was beginning to listen to the drums. I knew. Whoever was on the drums. I couldn’t see it, but I knew whoever was playing was in the room spirit. I knew that I could just tell the way it was going. I said, wow. So I went out to preach my sermon, but right at the end of the sermon, Jim Jones come back up in my mind, my spirit.

And then I start preaching about music. I start talking about beats brother. By the grace of God will be dug into it. Right? At the end of the service, they asked the musicians to come play. And the guy that was on the drum, he couldn’t play the drums because he was exposed the spirit that was on him, playing that music wrong with the church, the Holy spirit exposed it.

He could not get into that drums to play it like he was before. I appreciate it, sir. Cause it was a spirit on him and I’m not saying the pastor. Not spiritual. Couldn’t pick it up saying that, but what I’m saying is this to me, that’s where, when we work together as a body, as ministers, you might see something and I don’t see, and I might see something you don’t see, but when we can come together, not with critics.

Criticism, but talking to one another about pain, brother, could we maybe talk about dude? That’s how you help the body of Christ and brother. That’s how you help stop evil spirits from coming in, stuff like that. And brother, I have seen some strange things, but at least some even saying it it’s not even harsher.

So I’m saying it, the show. Some girls would actually get up and started saying the profile itself. Somebody can see you get in front of the church. These things happen in churches and in his rooms.

Luis Urrego: Absolutely.

Burley Williams: So coming up from those things, bud, you’re manufacturing yourself, but God allows you to see it.

You just see it. And then just the way that it is. But I just know that every congregation, every pastor, we all just need to be sensitive to the Holy spirit. I believe even not coming from the background that I come from, the whole, we just be prayerful and uncensored. And the Holy spirit speaks to us. He smells all of these things because that’s what the Holy spirit.

Luis Urrego: Amen. I

Burley Williams: believe there.

Luis Urrego: Amen. So he said that he would lead us and guide us into all truth. But again, you know, for us who come from backgrounds like that and who, who music was a big thing for us, it’s a, it’s something that we pick up much easier. Oh yeah. You take up much easier

Burley Williams: even musicians. When I talk to musicians, I said, be honest with yourself when you hear music, even the wrong kind of, when you can hear a baseline, it started affecting me.

They say, you’re right. You just put your mind, wouldn’t be like, I’m a musician, but that’s what I believe the Holy ghost is for a better Louise. It keeps you invalid. It keeps you right. And when I, when I come into the message, I’ll tell you what I did. I’m so excited. And I said, people got to hear this message.

I said now, how can I get them to hear this message? So what I did in the message now, I decided to make a rap song, a gospel rap. So people used to love to get a hook to my tapes and things in the kitchen. I said, I’m going to give it away free. And I said, boy, when I get this out there, we’re going to get this state.

You’re going to feel this church up. They go, Oh, I’ll start coming to this church. I was excited. And I did the song. I edited professionally. I did it, but when I’m getting ready to send that bang out, man, and God spoke to me there. Now you’ve put that out. What’s going to happen. You get them to come to church here.

Who are they going to come and see? Yeah, that opened my eyes. I got the tape and I broke it. Wow. They would fund the church just for that music. And that’s what they would want to hear when they got there. So I said, I go back to the way, how did Jesus get people to himself? He did it through the word.

That’s how they met. Oh, good. Oh, so, Oh brother. This is for the glory of God for the glory of burden and the devil.

I know all these tricks.

Luis Urrego: Yeah.

Burley Williams: That’s good. Tell you something. I give another testimony. I was in a, you remember these old buildings used to be circuit city. They ain’t see them no more. Now I wanted the keyboard so bad, but I couldn’t afford one, but I would go to certain cities and play with it. So I went into circuit city and just keyboard.

I was just playing. So I decided it was a song that I wrote called I’m going home. I recorded it on the keyboard and made the tracks and everything while I was in circumstance. And now all of a sudden I had this guy, this guy walked up beside me, stopped bumping his head and started rapping. I’m like, Whoa.

Then I stopped it. He said, did you write that? Yes it did because he was instrumental very, he said, he said, Hey, he said, I’m a rapper and I’m here working out of town. He said, I got a track. We caught it in my car. You know, you just plugged me in. If you would just give me that baselines, I’ll make it with your wife, man.

The devil know how to do it. He knew I wanted that keyboard

Luis Urrego: bad. Right.

Burley Williams: This guy was going to buy the keyboard, give it to me, just for me to do that baseline. He said, how about that? I said, I can’t do that. He said, why not? I said, man, I said, I said, that’s what this is. That’s this reason for the Lord. Not, not the devil.

He said. What’s that got to do with it. I say a lot to do with it. I said, I don’t say all my gifts, man. I’m not going to do that. I do actually got mad at me and walked out. But look at that temptation, the devil had it just right. I said, but I will not sell out what God has given me. I will not do that. And I believe which doesn’t happened around the message.

A lot of young people I’m sold out, but their gifts. If you can list to think. And I even preached this at a church, think about the people that not all now that have fallen from the message. You can just start thinking about a lot of them. They was extremely gifted people, singers, musicians, even preachers, Greenly, gifted preachers.

Right. I believe the more gifted you even are, the devil is more, even more interested in you. Why? Because he wanted to do just the same thing. That spirit that was on never could NASA in the book of Daniel who did never could, there’s a one, he wanted a special, he wanted the Royal seed. Those that can have knowledge, those that have skill that’s who never could never wounded.

That spirit hasn’t changed because the devil is interested in influential people because he know if I can get the one that could influence other, let me get them first. Then let that fall down. Take the mint color. They’d done the same thing. They’re really known in the congregation. Same thing. So if it was in the book of Daniel with Nathan and Cora, even as in the book of numbers, a lot of things, people don’t realize in the book of numbers.

Even in the book of numbers, when that play came amongst the Israel children, Israel, you remember there was a boy, it was named Zamrie and custody. You remember that story?

Luis Urrego: Yeah.

Burley Williams: Right. You go back, go, go read it. It puts out where it come from. Each one of them father was very popular. They come from popular families.

So the devil target popularity again. Now them to come out among Israel. Now the other is going to be like, well, dang Jill in it. Why can’t we do it? The devil chose the popular and it ain’t nothing different from today. That’s why even when I preach youth meetings, you can see the young people that got leadership abilities in him, somewhat popular around the camp.

You know, they got, you see these things. Those are the ones that they were target brother. Cause they know they can bring the influence to the rest of the young people today, bro. I see it over and over again. That’s why I believe for the Luis, even all what we’re talking about. Now we can talk about what we see.

We can talk about the negatives and then we see we can, we can, but this is what I do know what makes everything balanced as when we’re born again. Amen. When we follow the Holy spirit brother make know how gifted you are not gift to you. It brings everything right into a balance. And that’s what all of this really.

Luis Urrego: Hang on Barbara. Absolutely. I have the Burton new birth is what’s going to change. It’s going to make the difference in anybody’s life. And, it’s a very interesting that you bring that up and very good that you bring that up. Are there barely? I just, before we continue, we have several people that have sent in some comments.

We got some, brother Allen from, Lopez from Nicaragua. Brother, wonderful brother that I’ve worked with when I’m down there in Nicaragua. And I still work with, he, he said in Spanish, he, he brings greetings Steve brother Burley, and he remembered, he remembers, he remembers you when you booked gone down there to minister.

And so he says, God bless also brother nary, a VJ Gus from Sheila. Wonderful brother also mentioned, he says, God bless you brothers, great channel for the Luis. Thank you, brother, Neri for, for, for that. And, anybody, anyone else who would like to bring in your comments or bring in your, even a question, maybe if you, if you have a question or something like that, we’ll be more than glad to, to bring that up.

And as you can see, it shows up live on the, on the, on the screen there and everyone can see it. And so I was wondering the Burley. Can you see it on your end? The comments there that are coming up?

Burley Williams: I saw one pop up.

Luis Urrego: Okay. All I was just making sure. Alright. Alright brother. Charlie Kennedy says, God bless you both.

Amen.

Burley Williams: Alright,

Luis Urrego: well brother. Okay. So brother Burley.

Burley Williams: so

Luis Urrego: it’s very interesting that you bring that up regarding the new birth because, I personally feel barely, barely and correct me if I’m wrong. And we’ve, we’ve talked before about this, but I feel that the new birth isn’t really preached as much, or isn’t really taught as, as well as, as it, as it should be.

It’s become a, it’s become some sort of mysterious thing that people, that people feel like it’s just so hard to reach when in reality, God has made it so simple. It’s just, if we follow the exact prescription that God has given us. And, can you talk a little bit about that? And, and especially with our youth today, because they, they, they feel that a lot of them don’t even know if they have the new birth.

Burley Williams: Well, to be honest with you, brother, chairman, we preach on that a lot. Because it’s extremely important. And especially when you have a problem break these things out when he made a statement, random said that Jesus first doctrine was you must be born to do. And if that’s going to be the first doctrine that’s to me, need to be stretched on.

Okay. What I believe, what happened? People then got a lot of church birth instead of a word, right? Right. That’s what I believe. And matter of fact, let me just put this in too. I was talking to a pastor, a Saturday, me and he was talking and he was telling me how that he is so discouraging to him now, seeing that, how people, since all of this covet stuff has taken place hard, you’re giving up and so forth.

He said, then he said, it’d be come to realize most of them, their life was dependent upon church, you know? That that’s sad because let me put it to you this way. I don’t want to misquote what brother Brandon said. I think it, he said I don’t go to church to get, say I go to church because I’m saying, I don’t know if you remember that.

Luis Urrego: Yes. Yeah,

Burley Williams: I believe cause you gotta go back to the book of acts and we’ve been preaching on the book of acts. They was full of the Holy ghost. Even in persecution that did not stop them, even in trials, family. Amen. What a lot of people didn’t realize, at least in my OT, he appreciated about him a lot.

The gospel really spread when the church was split in the book of acts, they went out, preaching the gospel into deposit. Then the apostles stayed in Drew’s. So through the people, the gospel was going out. But that was even under persecution, spreading the gospel. Why would they to be sold? Because they was full of the Holy

Luis Urrego: spirit.

Amen. Amen.

Burley Williams: Do a boil again. What happened? Just like Paul said, what could separate us from the love of God persecution, family trial? None of those things what’s been happening through the years. People getting been getting church birth, not we’re birth. Church go down. They go down church. Ain’t doing good.

Dang doing good. It shouldn’t be that way. It needs to be a word. And because you gotta remember many people talk about certain things about the Holy spirit. Go back to what Jesus said. It is. The Holy spirit not only gives you power, but the Holy spirit is a teacher. The Holy spirit is a comforter. The Holy spirit is a guy.

And it leads you to all truth. The Holy spirit is all of them. The Holy spirit is Christ in you. The hope of glory. That’s what the new birth is. Is Christ in you, Christ living his life out through you. You no longer live in your life. You ceased living for yourself. You arrested him. Now you say some say, that sounds so beautiful.

Sweet. Does that mean we don’t make mistakes? No, it does not mean you don’t make mistakes, but the beautiful thing about being born again. when God is in your life with Eric, even coming in your life, you feel so condemned, you going to make those things right? Cause that teacher is teaching you and God and you we’re all, we’re like babies.

You should be born again. When you born again, you’re still going to grow when you’re born again. But to me, when you are born again, every, you would have received everything in you now for a body change for after it’s only you now. But yet still you, yourself, you have to grow maybe the same as a baby.

When he is born, comes out of his mother’s womb. Everything in that little baby boy, he got the potential to be a man. Yeah,

Luis Urrego: that’s right.

Burley Williams: But he ain’t a man. He’s a baby. Everything you want him to be a man, is there all he have to do is keep eating and growing and then he’ll keep coming into a man. Same as when we received the Holy spirit, we keep eating.

Matter of fact, when you received the Holy spirit, you didn’t crave the word. The more you grow, you learn. Yes. You get back up because you got something inside of you, keeping you keep getting right back up. You can’t give up because now you induced with the Holy spirit with power from on high. That’s why Jesus told the disciples.

He said, you just don’t. They said at this time that you’re going to restore the kingdom to Israel. They was talking about a natural teeth, but brothers said, they thought Jesus was going to come in and build up an electric kingdom. That’s what disciple was all about. He said, no, it was a spiritual thing, but he told them, but you go tear and Druze and don’t you worry about that?

You wait till you be induced with power on hot, but a Louise, I don’t care who it is. This might sound a little blunt. All right. Excuses have been made for why people leave the message. Minutes excuses. But when it come to the end of the day, they just wasn’t born again. Cause when you ain’t got the Holy ghost, use something to do anything, but when you are born again, there is no way you can walk away from this word.

Do you understand it all? No, but you believe it. You can’t. Oh boy.

Luis Urrego: Amen.

Burley Williams: So I’ll do this. This is man. When it goes back, people just have everything. The Holy ghost,

Luis Urrego: right? That’s exactly. That’s exactly brother, barely, you know, brother Branham said in Christ and mr. God revealed that. What is that? They asked him, what is the new birth?

And he said, it’s Christ made personal to you, is the revelation of Jesus Christ personally, to you what he said now, he, what, what he said, there is a revelation and that’s the thing that will hold you. They will anchor you when you get a revelation. Amen. There is no way that you can go back out. There is no way when something is really revealed, but that’s the thing, brother, Burley.

I feel that a lot of people, they get the two confused, a revelation or a sensation or, or, or a knowing. They, they just know it. And by you knowing it feels good. It’s awesome. Oh, it’s wonderful. It’s like something that you just learned and they confuse that with a revelation and in reality or revelation will anchor you no matter the storm, no matter what happens.

What do you think about that brother? Burley?

Burley Williams: Well, it’s funny, you said that we were just ministering in the church. And, cause when I come up in the message brother at one time, I remember when I was young. When I see people jumping around the church, shout scream, and I’m sitting there, I thought I was lost.

I said, Lord, let’s have these people jumping in. So excited. I said, look at me, just sitting here, like a knot on the log. I was discouraged.

Luis Urrego: I’m glad you bring that up. Brother. Burley

Burley Williams: was discouraged when God asked, speak to me, he said, do you believe what the preacher just free? Yeah. I believe what he preached.

And he said, what’s your problem? And I’m like, I don’t have no problem. I believe the word now, what I seen and this isn’t enough. And I know this is the lie. Well, I’ll go back and I got scriptures and we just in quotes cause you just prove off things. But a lot of people failed back in the days they thought, because they had revelation of the word they was born again.

But what they fail to realize you can have revelation and not have the Holy ghost go back to Peter when Jesus. Jesus told Peter flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. But my father from him, Peter got straight direct revelation from God and people did not have an F the Holy ghost.

Luis Urrego: This is exactly right.

Burley Williams: Right. What makes these things clear to me when you go back to the message, the anointed ones in the entire. But barely explained those things. How a person can even preach a Holy ghost message, then get themselves, not have the Holy ghost. He preached these things. Some do things. It made it clear to me. So when you was talking about earlier, I agree.

Some people think because they got a lot of revelation. That means that they’re a born again. That is incorrect. That is totally incorrect because many, you will know yourself. Don’t preach and then bless you. You don’t have to have stayed on the back of your neck and do stimulation and revelation. And what else did they, right?

Yeah. Cause you got revelation. That don’t mean you’re born again. Now, if you go back to the stretchy eight book, when brother Brandon talked about us being an invisible army, When he talked about revelation, this is how he stated it. He said, and true revelation in our lives. No, he put it in your life. Not in your mind, in your life with true revelation in our life have to be because the more revelation we get it shouldn’t make you humble.

Not lift it up. It shouldn’t make you humble. And just for showing you these things fall ball, humble man, fuller revelation that God had to keep him humble so he wouldn’t get be hit. So he goes through things in life, but coming back to the new birth,

many because of false doctrines that happened back in the year, what we have to understand, but the least. We’re in the harvest time, false doctrines seeds that have been playing through the message all through the years, which just really just seeing the results of them. Now they come to fruitition they believe if you believe in Malakal for you born again, used to believe that many years to teach that what did it did affect them?

The younger generation. They said, well, we’re here in the message. We’re in the message. We in the message. So I’m okay. But they fail to realize not being in the message makes you okay. The message being in you makes you okay, you got them. They just tagging it. Who? My pastor or my pastor. So and so, but I seen these in youth meetings where young people want you to know who they passionate is it’s pride.

But when it comes to the end of the day, what about you? You’re full of the Holy spirit. What about you? So all these things have been going on through years, brother. People just w they don’t make things to a message tag, but when they have done, they miss the life of the message, what the prophet has brought us in this day.

He brought us to lead us straight to Jesus Christ and let you know Christ want to be in you. You must be born again. And meaning, you asked young people today, what is being born again in 90% of them, they can’t even tell you no. But you asked me what the seals, I started breaking it down to you, but you go down to the new bird.

They came. Okay.

Luis Urrego: And even the seals. Yeah.

Burley Williams: And it’s sad. People just don’t took knowledge and think that it’s the new bird, but Lewis, I don’t see him to some people lives as a pastor. I seen it and seen it. They can preach circles around me. They can break things around me, but I did not see an amps for the life of Christ in their life because the Holy ghost can detect Holy ghost.

I believe

Luis Urrego: that’s right. Absolutely.

Burley Williams: So all the young people, even to today now, Oh, Many of them. Wow. When I preach to them, when they want to tell you their problems, they tell you what they’re going through, which is fine. They want to tell you what they’re going through, but then we just start asking questions.

That’s when they get uneasy, he began to ask the question. How much did you pray? How much did you study? How much you read your Bible, how many of you used to stay? And that’d be like.

That’s the way you just answer all your problems right there, dedicated to God you ain’t laying in the word. See back in the holidays, we come into this message. Nobody made us stay. We wanted it. We wanted to study. We wanted to know why, because we was hungry. We was thirsty and we wanted to know for ourselves.

Now all the time they bring a Bible. If they bring it in it’s Wednesdays and Sundays, they don’t even bring the Bible. Now they’ll bring the phone. Yeah.

Luis Urrego: Right.

Burley Williams: Mistaken thinking the pillar of fire and the church in your name and just a bunch of out passing. Go and look like it’s a pillar of fire in the church.

That’s right.

The reality of things, brother peoples are not seeing that reality. They don’t want him to die to them. Say, don’t think about this brother.

People talk about their struggles.

How could you struggle with something if it’s not interesting to you,

Luis Urrego: but you can’t, you can’t struggle with.

Burley Williams: Okay. So now people tell me, I struggled. I said, let me hear you. Are you struggling? Because you hopped between two opinions. You want to go this way and you want to go definitely. But you don’t want in the middle of the road, I said that’s where your struggle is.

That is making the decision when you are sold out like Ruth, Ruth couldn’t go. Nowhere tissue. She had the prophet said she had a clear cut decision. She couldn’t go nowhere until she had that. That’s what people need to do today. Just like Josh was saying, as for me and my house, we’re going to serve the Lord.

You’re going to serve him. Are you not going to serve that? Don’t get me wrong. But a Luis, I understand babies got things struggles in life. You deal with that. But yet at the same time, you take them to the solution. Most people want to talk about the struggle, but not the solution. Right illusion, if you yourself down more out to Jesus Christ, giving those things to him, having faith in him and just abiding in his word.

That’s, that’s your solution right there. But they want you to wave a magic wand. I give them some kind of pill and said, all of your problems is over with that’ll never happen because all that live godly in Christ y’all so for personal,

Luis Urrego: no, that’s exactly

Burley Williams: right. Something inside of you now. So I usually just ask young people, I just get right to the point.

I just asked the main question. Do you want to serve God? Do you want to serve? And then they say, yes. I said, now let’s work on that. Then some of them be like, I really don’t know when they are like that. You really can’t help them. Maybe my mind made up themselves. Oh you do? I just pray. I just pray. Hey God.

And trust me, this is your child, but you have to move. Here’s the thing, but Lewis, I’m not trying to preach, but I’m getting excited.

Luis Urrego: No, that’s all right, brother.

Burley Williams: Brandon said that Jesus first doctrine was, you must be born again when he said that it took me back. If that’s his first doctrine, it gotta be in Genesis.

It got to be in Genesis. So when I went back to Genesis, you could even go to the message out. There’s a man here to turn on the light. You got to remember that when wrote about him and began to express things to us, how God redeemed earth it’s the same way he redeemed us. The thing that happened in earth, we go through the same thing.

When I kept hearing brother Brendan Sadie’s thing, something dropped in my spirit. And I said, well, we are, I would say, yeah, because this is where we come from. We offer the new birth. I go back to the birth of the world, the birth of these things. I said that has to be a new birth then that’s it. So what I seen that you got to remember when God created the earth, he created it for a purpose.

Now, Genesis one, don’t explain all of the details, but Isaiah 45, Isaiah four to five tells you why God created the earth. He said he created it is not in vain, but he created it to be inhabited. Right. So when I read that he created this natural earth to be inhabited, then he created you and I to be inhabited and happy with what him living in us.

So that took me back to when Jesus said that me and the father, we will come and make our abode in you. So that taught me back to that. And a bone. When you look it up in the Greek, it leaves a permanent residence.

Luis Urrego: Man.

Burley Williams: That’s what it means. So he said, I want to make my life. I want to live in you in habit in you living, you tabernacle in you.

And I said, wow, it’s all dead. I went on back to Genesis. So the earth without form VOD darkness upon the face of the deep, the earth was in a total chaotic situation. And I said death, actually, you and me, when we come on mama wounds. We come into a world of darkness we’re voting. We don’t have an understanding of that.

That’s actually you and me born into this world of darkness, but God knew he had a plan for the earth. God, wasn’t worried about what it looked like. He already knew he was going to do so he ain’t worried about the condition you and I come into the world. He already know where he was going to do with us, even though it was dark.

You remember the seeds was there.

Luis Urrego: That’s right

Burley Williams: there. God knew those seeds was there, but God knew nothing happened to them seeds until I get that sunlight to shine

Luis Urrego: on. That’s exactly right.

Burley Williams: So what actually the birth of the earth and all those things happening, then what I’m saying, you can go to the message, God power train information, but it talks about these things, but the Louie that’s the brush to us because remember we funneled life in darkness, man.

Yeah, we just confused, but God knew I had a seat down there. I knew I had it down. There really that’s a person even not born again, coming to church, you sit in church, just born empty here. Right? You ain’t understanding that, but you’re still there. Maybe your parents dragging you in. You just let me just go.

I don’t want to hear nobody talking, but you’re still there, but you gotta remember nothing. Could change to the earth. Nothing could change until you go back to Genesis one. The key thing in Genesis one, it says the spirit of God move

Luis Urrego: exactly. Spirit

Burley Williams: of God moved.

Luis Urrego: That’s exactly right.

Burley Williams: And then church service I’m serving at the centers, but then it, with the spirit of God move, then the next thing God did said, let there be light.

That’s the person sending church. Ain’t got the Holy ghost, but now the spirit of God is moving. Is that time God said, I’m going to wake you up. Now, spirit of God, moving the God said, let there be light. And then all of a sudden, all the things they been hearing, right. Right. This is what he’d been preaching all these years.

I got it. Now, what is it is God is shining light on that individual. Notice the way God. I said, now you got a person in church. They see the light, they see things. Now. I said, now what happened next? What God did in Genesis? It said, God saw that the light was good. He divided the light from the darkness. I said, when a person is in this state, now they see in the light, the light, you ain’t gotta be beautiful because now they got light.

They automatically start separating themselves from dark. Yes.

Luis Urrego: Amen.

Burley Williams: They automatically started doing it. Cause now God is doing the work in their life, telling them as they’re growing. What is separate from what the fairway from you. Ain’t got to be over them. Now. God is inside of that inside teacher teaching me to stay away from debt.

Don’t go here. Don’t do that. That’s what I’ve worked on the Holy spirit. And it’s the same things I did in Genesis. It wasn’t done, but that is born again.

Luis Urrego: That is wonderful brother Burley. It’s it’s very interesting. You bring that up because I just ministered a sermon just a few weeks ago regarding that.

And, it’s exactly what I was taking. I was taking the, the, the, the creation. And typing that with the new birth and, which is true. I mean, it’s there and you have to, you have to see the new birth that it from Genesis to revelation because it’s Christ the same yesterday for, the same yesterday to them forever.

And you know, you know what brother barely Rick see Christ as the word and because the logos, you know, the word had to come out of God first that when the Bible says there in Genesis, let there be light that wasn’t the sun or the moon, other stars. That was actually the God’s life that came forth first, because you’ll see later in life, verse 14 or 17 later on in that chapter, that that’s when the moon and the sun and the stars come into being, but that life of Christ had to come out first.

And that’s, that’s what needs to happen to us first. Then God can start creating. God can start creating the EV everything else, but Christ had to come to Christ. The word had to come on the scene first. So

Burley Williams: in 1964, there’s a man had to turn off the light, but Brandon said that sun was already there, but what it was, it was a fog stopping the sun from shining down on the earth.

He said the first light was actually discovered.

Luis Urrego: That’s exactly.

Burley Williams: So when I went back, when God said, let there be light to an individual, that’s a spoken word to you and God opened you up, open your life up. Now you’re seeing Christ in the word. Cause you gotta remember something. You go back to the message, surge, let us see Jesus.

But, but Abram said, when they asked that question, He said, when somebody wants to see Jesus, they always want to come to a person that might know about Jesus. He said, that’s why they went to the disciples and said, SIRS, let us see Jesus. He said, but if you notice, when they came to Jesus, what did Jesus do?

That’s when Jesus said, except the corn and wheat fall in the ground and abide it alone, it died. It abided alone, but abandoned, he brought back down. He said, so you really want to see Jesus it’s based on you die. You got to die to yourself, your weight so that you can see Jesus Christ. And that’s what people don’t want to do, but they don’t want to die.

They want to leave. They want to live their life, but we got to die. And you know what I’ll say, this my brother, that’s the problem. When I find with a lot of messages, not all of them. Cause I’m thankful for all the young ministers that’s coming up now. Got a true revelation. Yeah, but, but w what messages a lot of them up, I’m just being real.

A lot of them ain’t recognize that they are seventies. They thought they were born with the Holy ghost, cutting in the message.

Luis Urrego: Right.

Burley Williams: And then don’t worry. That’s why the prophet, God said, God, ain’t got no grandchildren sales.

Luis Urrego: If you don’t, if you don’t meet God for yourself, and if you think that you came here, you know, already, you know, a good, you know, born again, type person, you know, already then Christ died in vain.

You were a sinner. And that you needed to be saved by grace and God, but God knew that you were going when, and at what moment you were going to receive him and he made that way for you. But, yeah, we all came sinners. And so, it’s, it’s it’s, and that it’s a deceiving thing and this and this, our brother burly, you know, to, to think that you’ve got the goods.

it’s I think his brother Brandon said, he said something like that. I’d rather live my life. You know, you know, seeking something. And then at the end of the road obtain what I was seeking, then thinking that I have already something in my life, thinking that I have the goods and then yet I don’t have anything.

That’s, that’s something to think about. So,

Burley Williams: another one of your questions you had sent me to, pertaining family.

Luis Urrego: Really really quick, brother Burley. Let me just greet some of these brothers, these people that have sent in comments, brother Havi, ed Mendoza. He says, God bless you, brothers and a sister, Mary Brewer all the way from Japan.

That’s good. She says that sister Mary’s sister used to go to our, to our church. They’re in Georgia. So she’s living in Japan now because her husband’s stationed over there. So, but. In Spanish, too.

status for the Berlin. Can you tell them God bless you in Spanish.

Burley Williams: You also live in Degan

Luis Urrego: good. We got, we got several of them in Spanish that are listening, so

Burley Williams: my brother’s

working on it, brother.

Luis Urrego: That’s all right. Sorry.

Burley Williams: Go

Luis Urrego: ahead, brother. Barely. So you would say, you were saying, you know,

Burley Williams: I believe, you know, the prophet, God talked about that family alter. Does it get that family altar back into your house?

Luis Urrego: Yeah, that,

Burley Williams: that, that, that don’t hurt all young people too. I hear it. You hear some people say some things that I don’t think is good, they would say, well, if my child is predestinated to get it.

They going to get it twitches true, but still you have to work with

Luis Urrego: that’s right.

Burley Williams: They post certain things on Facebook, sometimes kind of comical. But if people really look at them, sometimes it’s sad. And I’m going to give you an example of one. They posted one, one time and the daddy was at the family. It was a family at the table eating and then the devil, I’m sorry, the daddy.

He dropped something down to pick it up. He was actually checking his email. Then he got back. He didn’t want the family to know what he was doing. So he kept pretending like he was dropping something just so he can check his texts and his email, but then what they didn’t realize each one of them started pretending.

Right. They was dropping something. All of them was at the table wondering who’s texting them. What, some of the email about that, but had to pretend like they was dropping stuff. Now, they looked at that as comical, but I called that sad and then I seen another one. They got this thing. This has been years ago, maybe, but some kind of jammer, it’s a jammer.

It can be disguised as a club or anything. But what it does is it jams your internet till you can’t even get it. Jams, communication, stuff like that. And this mother put one in the center of the table and everybody was sitting at the table. They noticed that I pads and nothing was working and they really got frustrated, but then I’m certain they just put them down.

Then it starts to. And how was your day to day? How was your day at work? How was your day at school? What it was trying to show a point. Now, because all of that was out of the way they was now able to be a family to talk to each other, what their concerns were instead of each one of them in their own little isolated world.

And they lived at a electronic device because these things I can even say for myself, this technology world, it takes away the family. Yeah. If you’re not careful, it does. I mean, look, look at it now, bro, would you, I’m sure you’ve been in Walmart. I was talking to a couple in Walmart. I said, y’all were cheating.

They said, what do you mean? I said, you got your children in this little buggy here with an iPad, got all his test stuck in there. You ain’t got to watch him. I said, iPad is the babysitter. I said, when my children Rose up, raised up, we’ll raise them. They didn’t need all of that. I said, but they behaved, they behaved they out in the public eye because we taught them at home how to do right.

I said, but your iPad is your babysitter. Sure said y’all got it easy. So these things were taken away and I believe it was a minister’s meeting one time talking about how that the social media and all these things has affected families and stuff like that. I said, it’s actually him and brother. You better Louise.

They gonna come back again back to what we’re speaking about. The Holy ghost earlier. The Holy ghost. It can, it can balance it balance you even on that. Cause he didn’t get too much into it. It’s easy if people would just be

Luis Urrego: honest, they want you to get into it. As a matter of fact, the creators of these items, these devices didn’t even let their children get on them from what I’ve heard.

But, but, but yet they create, they create because they know that they’re the psychologists behind it. But, and so, but it’s all Satan just working in it. It’s really a time consuming thing. And, I see it all the time, too, brother burly. You see parents that just, just let these things babysit their children when they know that what that’s not, what they need, what they need is you.

They need you as a parent to be there, to guide them to, to, to, they want to ask you questions, but, but children and young people often, they don’t, they’re not the first ones to open up with things to you. You have to come to them to ask them. You gotta pull it out of them. And once you do that, then you can start having a conversation and you realize, Oh my goodness, I didn’t know that I could deal with my child in this way.

Well, you didn’t know because you had allowed iPad and iPod and, and, and every other device and computer to babysit your child and you were on it as well. So, that’s very interesting that you bring that up early. Cause it’s

Burley Williams: very, very, we don’t have to be a rocket scientist. When we began to see our children isolated themselves in the room, those are signs.

You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to pick that up. When you’re having dinner at the table, they gobble the food down. Can I be dismissed? I just take off a lot. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist. Something is going on in that child

Luis Urrego: life.

Burley Williams: They try to deal with it themselves and they dealing with it in their own way.

And so many parents don’t got so busy now take care of them and help their own children. Not all, but too many. Just about every service you can even ask my, my kids grown, but just about a year research, when server’s old, when we get home, they already know what I’m going to ask them. What did you get out of

Luis Urrego: service?

Yeah,

Burley Williams: explain to me what did God say? They already know that. And then I get them to talk to me and not doing that. The fellowship around the word. Cause either fellowship round. The other thing, that’s fellowship around the word, people fellowship more around now what’s happened on Facebook then what’s going on in the word.

Luis Urrego: That’s exactly.

Burley Williams: It’s weakening the family structure. That’s what it has done. And, but it did on the other side, but a Louise look what you’re doing now with social media. It’s a blessing. So now, cause you got some go to Dick stream. Oh, we don’t need no internet. We don’t need. I had a guy tell me, well, we don’t need no internet.

We don’t need all that stuff. They eat enough that the tree of knowledge. And so you don’t want to eat nothing off the trigger now? Oh no, no. That’s the way I go back to the horse and buggy days. Don’t you drive your car no more. Cause then where did that come from? All that comes from the tree or not.

She’s none of the people that go to the extreme. I believe the Holy ghost balanced itself in all of these things. God happen. Interesting thing. Come up. I didn’t get to make it to the ministers meeting when they asked about the internet, how’s it affecting things and so forth today. I want us to believe myself, brother Luis, if brother Brandon Muslims, I do, this is me now.

They brother Brandon wasn’t lying. He used, if he had access to the internet to use it, to spread the gospel, I believe brother Brandon would do it. And the reason why I say that, he’d go back to the message of faith is a substance. What is the first thing they said? And now we’re getting some new gadgets.

Luis Urrego: Okay. And so new gadgets that’s right.

Burley Williams: What did they do at the time, but not going to have why hookup? Telephone hookup. This is the seed of all of these things. So it can be used for the glory of the gospel and, you know, and I know it makes some people who get on the internet. It depends on what’s in you.

How far are you going to go with the thing what’s going on in you, to be honest with you, Sam, that’s true. Yeah. The thing is a way, well, you can get trapped in there. If you’re looking for the wrong things, you can get caught into those things, but you know what? I believe these things should be used for the glory of God.

Look in Japan. When they could not have Bibles and stuff, they get in trouble, but they can’t do nothing when they can do it on the internet. They can’t get mad at him because I believe all the things that the devil has devised the trap. God’s people, God now using it to help his people. Yeah, because there’s no weapon formed against us.

Can prosper. You have this gun weapon, little devil it’s for, but it can’t cross him. One thing I like about that scripture, when he say no weapon formed against you, that form is not singular. It means for them, that means things are going to continually to be made, to try to trap God Bri. They come against the, but you know what great is he, that is in us than he does in the world.

So I don’t focus on the things that’s out there. Like the prophet of God said, when he preached that message, he didn’t preach. What can I overcome? It was, how can I overcome? Cause if you know the house, it don’t matter what the wedding is. You got to know the house. And that’s what I believe in the focus should be more and more and Holy spirit Christ in.

You make sure you’re born again. No, that you’re born again. He is your leader. He is your guy. That’s what people need to be focused. But I agree with what you said about an hour ago. The Holy ghost is not pretty much no more cause people want to get into the mystery, which is fine. All of those things are fine and, and I’ve have been, you know, some say.

The bride don’t need this. The bride don’t need the do’s and the don’ts the bride don’t do it as Whoa. Be careful with that statement. I said the message. It is not do’s and don’ts because the message is Christ. We’ll tell you what not to do what you shouldn’t do and whatnot. I said, it’s all there. I said, listen, brother, me and the brother was talking about that’s your brother, churches, people on different levels.

Sometimes if he rebuke service, Sometimes it’d be exaltation. Sometimes it’d be revelation. I said, go back to the Bible. It says, all scripture is for correction, exaltation for doctrine. I said, that’s why every service is different. It depends on what God want to do to the individual that’s sitting in there.

He didn’t want her to do some review. Abby, only with you. Sometimes you come to chart man. Peace of heart. I feel like everybody’s a damn

Luis Urrego: right,

Burley Williams: but you know what I’m saying? Oh, Then come back, not a separate clique, like everybody’s like angel, you understand what I’m saying? Look, but revelation rather it’s seasonal.

God knew things. He know what each individual in the church need, but you know what? Then when you preach all, you love to be born again. Some set. I heard that that’s okay. Let me tell you, so I don’t care how much Tyler man preach. You must be born again. When you know you’re born again, when they’re preaching and you’re still gonna rejoin because you just don’t want that to your time.

Luis Urrego: Absolutely absolutely. By the Berlin eye. How can you get, how can you get bored of the, one of the greatest doctrines ever in that doctrine? And it was the first thing, like you said earlier that Jesus preached first told Nicodemus about it there in the scriptures. And you know, rarely, one thing that I said, you know, As much as we need the mysteries, we, those have to be preached as well.

You’ve you’ve, you’ve got to, I mean, otherwise brother, Brandon wasted his time preaching them, but, but, you’ve got to know these things, but you can know the knowledge of, of the seals and the, and Daniel’s 70 weeks and all of those things by reading head knowledge. But if you don’t know how to treat your wife at home and you don’t know how to treat your husband at home, you don’t, you children, your kids don’t know how to, how to obey your parents.

What does all that matter? If you don’t know how to do these things, it is so crucial. It’s so key that you, this gospel not just be something that’s known, but it’s something that’s, that’s lift. You’re there with me, brother Burley.

I think we lost brother burly.

All right. So before. I think he’ll, he’ll come back here in just a moment. So anyways, I hope that you all have been enjoying so far the, the, the, the stream we, and while we wait for brother Burley to come back, I just wanna read, hear some comments, brother Anderson. God bless you, brother Anderson.

He says, he says, God bless you, brothers. This is so Edify. It’s a one. Yeah, I’m glad that it’s edifying our brother. Barely. We’ve got your back.

Burley Williams: They wouldn’t want this

battery’s chart. It just blanked off.

Luis Urrego: Wow. Okay. Good. Good. Well, what I was saying, brother Burley. Yeah. Boot devil. That’s all you going to say. Blue devil. What I was saying, brother Burley is that, you know, we can, we can know all these things and, and explain Danielson new weeks, the, the, the seals, everything, which is, we need those things because otherwise brother, Brendan wasted his time, wasted his time, preaching them for, we need them.

And, and, and I don’t like it when people say, no, we don’t need those things. Well then why did brother Brandon preach? But the other. We need all of it for the Burley. But the other thing is, is that you can know all these things, the mysteries by head knowledge. And if you don’t know how to treat your wife at home, and if you don’t know how to treat your husband at home and you, they don’t know how to obey your parents, what good.

Is knowing all of that, the message by letter and the message is not being lived and it’s simplicity. And like you said, earlier, brother, early, the ma the more you, the more is revealed to you, the more humbler you’re going to become.

Burley Williams: So is that right? Yeah.

Luis Urrego: So there’s, that’s very, that’s very key. And so we won a lot of the questions that I had here did that have to do with the new birth, because it’s, you know, it’s just like brother Burley said it’s important to him.

It’s very important, to me as well. And so we have already gone here, brother Burley over an hour and 14 minutes. Are you still. Are you still okay to go just a little bit more?

Burley Williams: Okay.

Luis Urrego: We still have several people here, listening, listening, and tuned in. so God bless you all again, if you have, a comment that you want to make, you just want to say hello, or if you have a question, even for brother Burley.

I’m more than glad to put it in here for you. And, brother Anderson, says, God bless you brothers. This is so edifying. I don’t know if you saw. As mentioned that earlier today, brother, barely, but, or earlier, just a moment ago, but brother Burley. So let’s get let’s let’s let’s give back. Let’s why don’t we talk about a little bit regarding to what’s going on today?

as far as the bride of Jesus Christ and, what’s, you know, what’s next for the broad now in the, in the atmosphere and the conditions that we’re in now. A lot of people, you know, saying that this, this is happening, this, that, and the other, all the world affairs, all these things with COVID and things like that.

And it’s very easy for people to come to conclusions or to fall into conclusions. And it, and those conclusions be completely not even in the scriptures. And so. What do you think right now? What is it that God is? What do you think that God is doing right now with his people through, through the pride of Christ?

Burley Williams: What, when you said that one of the first time you come in my mind would go to bed and say it. Even when brother Brandon was here, he said that every is real. As in our Homeland, they begin to name different things that don’t happen. But then he said the only thing that I can see, you know, this is the rapture, the coming of the Lord.

He said everything is set in place. He said, all, I can see this time for the ranch, with him saying that to me even way back then to now this is what I honestly believe. But at least myself is COVID

all these things that are happening. There’s two purposes is to reasoning, but when it comes to the broader Jesus Christ. I think it’s PR it’s all these things, pushing us, pushing us to look at ourselves, to check out our own personal lives. Am I ready for this rapture? Am I ready to meet God myself? Cause all of these events, cause COVID that just is what the disease.

Jesus said, these things what’s going to happen. Testaments and families and all of these things. He said that in the book of Psalm, but God said he’ll be our right. I’ll protect you. And all of these things. I think a lot of things are distraction when people get so caught up into those things, they get more caught up into that, but not doing the daily soul search themselves, making sure that, Hey, am I ready?

Am I spiritually ready to go? Yes. I believe all of these things got a purpose. I don’t understand all of it. I’m not going to try to be no scientist and breaking everything down and people get different people get different quotes and I don’t understand all that, but you know what. Colby is not the biggest problem.

Colbert is not the biggest pill. The biggest killer is saying that’s the biggest killers,

Luis Urrego: unbelief,

Burley Williams: unbelief, all these things do I do. I protect myself and they tell me to put a mask on. I put a Masco, you’re washing my hand. I wash my hand. That’s being responsible. That’s the only, that is, I don’t understand that, but still.

we got to be focusing on was so making sure, looking at all of the testimonies that’s been happening now, in the midst of all these things, because to be honest with you in the beginning, you heard so much about COVID COVID got more kitchen and Jesus Christ did same with him. Yeah, that’s

Luis Urrego: right.

Burley Williams: To be honest, I heard that name so much, so I got sick of hearing it. Cut. Cut. Cut. Cut. Cut. I got sicker in. What about, what is God doing? So what I did, what I did when they started talking about the O what’d you call it that quarantine and all these kinds of things. I said, well, that’s a corn, can’t you?

Ain’t nothing diff corn cane. Ain’t nothing new. I said, you see something happened in the lateral. Evidently something going in the spiritual, cause they kind of get you to quarantine and stay home. Now they get to yourself. I said, do you think God might not want the corn with you to get you locked in?

Well, him himself, because you gotta remember something, bro, before they left Exodus, it wasn’t quarantine.

Luis Urrego: That’s it that’s right. But

Burley Williams: that quarantine was based upon what God said and I just put it to you. Like dude, God people, the quarantine. Separated put the blood on the door. I suppose you gotta remember total obedience to the order.

I said that, yeah, that token the blood, even on the door and everything, then that’s what Moses said. But you know what friends, if they was dead before morning, they would have died even with the blood because you remember the scripture said don’t even go out until the morning. So they had to keep everything with Moses said, I said, I go, I want a corner.

Can you. The isolate you to keep you to himself. I said, we need a spiritual quarantine. They’ll wait for the sins of this world. As they want you to quarantine the stay at home, stay away from people. I, what about you need the quarantine to stay away from saying, stay away from the things of this water.

That’s a quarantine with God. People don’t realize that’s the other stuff, but what I try to do take what’s going on, find it in the Bible or some kind of example, and say, this is what God is doing. Go ahead all the way God wanted his people to be a separate people and better Lewis. I’m gonna say this to you.

Oh, this might be a little finger to sound, but probably little things. When brother Brandon would say, keep your children and Christian company, as much as you can. Little things like that. I don’t think he was just throwing it out there. I don’t, because what happened through the years, I seen people got to a place.

They dropped the ball, started letting their children have sleep over at their so called friends house, letting you didn’t need any message at all. But that is just school friends, but you know what happened as they got older, they’re very free and they let them have the sleepovers and stuff with the flex them away right out of the church.

Oh, yeah, I think three years, bro. So I know how with children, you can’t keep them from everything, but I do know this. You can prepare them through the word, tell them what that prophet saying, because when it comes to the end of the day, when they get the Holy spirit, that’s, what’s going to make the world a reality to them anyway.

But we as parents, it’s our duty to keep leading them into that right direction to listen. This is what the words say. And bill Lewis, I want to say something else to you, bro. And I know many are listening. The last couple youth meetings, I ministered, I made some statements and I watched the expression of the young people.

The statement that I made, I said, you’re a man that brother, Brandon. And I said, you don’t even understand why some of them like pop out of their head. So I’m gonna tell you why you’re mad at it. That’s I’m going to tell you why you mad. I said, what happened down through the years now? You’ve got young people, even now, when you tell them something, they’ll say, did the Bible say that I did brother?

Branam say that.

Luis Urrego: Yeah, that is very true. Yeah. See,

Burley Williams: what’s done happened. It’s the way things have been presented to them. Cause they don’t have a revelation. What dumb happened, brother movies. I believe this. If you can’t preach the message, if you can only just do it with quotes and no Bible, you don’t have a clear revelation.

Yes. That’s what I believe because the Bible is brother Brandon’s quote book. That’s what it is he saying? Sometimes you don’t even have a clue what he’s talking about, but I promise you one day, you’ll find what he said as you read the Bible. That’s what he got it from what dumb happened through the years, but at least a lot been said, but , but the brother said that’s done got stuck in the young people mind.

They think it is just what brother bred them.

Luis Urrego: Say it. Yeah,

Burley Williams: but I try to get them to see listen friends, some preachers, that’s all they can say. I said, well, let me explain something. I said, when you hear me say that, I want you to understand what I am saying. This is what God said through the prophet. This is the scripture where he took that from him.

Here’s what he said in his quote. Here’s the scripture that he used the balance, the thing out. So now they begin to hate this, like brother Brandon, because they think this is brother Brandon. The message. Well, it’s probably the profit we can’t do to no it’s because of what the word, what the word says, right?

It comes to the end of the day, the Bible says the commandments of God are not grievous. It’s the commandments of God, a grievous to you. You need the Holy ghost. That’s what you need. But their representation of things have been set in the young people mind, and I have to go this way, but it’ll be, cause this is what I see.

I see what happened to them, but I’ve tried to tell them, listen, God sent this prophet to prepare a bribe for erection. As I say, bro, the abandon shamed myself. I, the prophecy. That’s what? I’ll take you to the Bible. Give you what he got it from him and show him in scripture. That’s not being done a lot.

It’s just cook, cook, cook, cook, cook book. Where’s the Bible.

Luis Urrego: Absolutely.

Burley Williams: Yeah.

Luis Urrego: A lot. I agree with you Burley, Burley, but you have to have a balance and again,

Burley Williams: balance,

Luis Urrego: you have to have a balance with it and you have to re you have to realize that brother, Brandon, the message is it came from the word. It wasn’t anything outside of the word.

The word is always the foundation and brother Brandon said as well. And it’s just true. That the word, the Bible is always the absolute, it’s the absolute for everything. So, so yeah, I, I I’ve even heard people, brother, brother, barely, you know, they’ll, they’ll be quoting a scripture from the Bible, but then they’ll, there’ll be saying, but brother Branham said, and then they’re squatting, quoting a scripture from the Bible.

When in reality is the Bible that, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s just a Bible verse, but the people are just so used to saying brother Brandon said, And so, but, but yeah, it’s so true. And brother Burley is, it’s interesting. You bring this up because what is happening, brother? Barely. If young people don’t get the Holy spirit or anybody for that matter, if they don’t get the new birth filled with the Holy ghost in a true revelation in their life.

Eventually they are going to get tired of hearing brother, Brandon, brother, Brandon brother. Brandon said this brother, Brandon said that. And that’s how the message becomes to you is just brother, Brandon. But brother, that the message is not just, it’s not for

Burley Williams: the brand. That’s

Luis Urrego: exactly right.

Burley Williams: Need to do even do it.

The prophet said, take the message and get your buyer sit down with, in this study we did. That’s what they need to do. They still get everything else caught up on social media, spending eight hours on social media and five minutes in prayer.

Luis Urrego: And don’t work that way.

Burley Williams: No. Okay. They need, they listen to the message themselves and ask God, I believe if any person, not just young people.

Even if you get a message tape and say, God, if this is true, speak to me and if they heart is right, God revealed itself right to them. And that I believe that,

Luis Urrego: Hey man,

Burley Williams: this is true. I always make this statement. But in the East, there’s three types of people around the messages. I say it a lot. There’s three groups.

There’s a group takes away from what brother Brandon was. There’s a group that make brother Brandon more than what he was. But there’s a bride knew exactly who he was, the ones that make him more than what he was. Those were your deity doctrines come from. Those that take away from what he was. Those find every quote where he made a mistake.

I find that they capitalize their ministry, all his mistakes, but the bride said, Elijah, a man like precious passions. People can bring up any error mistake. They say about the brand that don’t shake me one shape, form or fashion, because this word has been revealed to me. They turn to attack command character.

And we, when they be saying the thing, the quote, CB saying, what people going to do be going into my mind? No, if they can’t, they can’t get a man off the mask. They try to destroy the vessel. That the message. Well then, but here’s the thing. Past the curtain, the time they told him he gonna come back, he’s already over there.

I told one brother, I said it make no difference what you say about it. You ain’t gonna change where he’s at you and I got to get there. So man, come on, man. It’s really sad. But at least if you got the right product, go back what the prophet said. If you got the right product, it’ll sell itself the right way.

It have to be presented the right way. That’s

Luis Urrego: right.

Burley Williams: They have to be presented the right way. even Lael with the young people. A lot of them just, they just need their man. They need to study, they get close to the garden and say, I’m just really into this message. It’s like we did. But when I’m asked to say it, we used to laugh at the nomination back in the day.

People say my pastor, my pastor, my pastor said, pastor, it ain’t no different than today in the message. Where am I? Pastor said, well, with all due respect, but if you’re fascinated saying what God brought him this day, you’ll pass this room. He’s just flat out wrong.

Luis Urrego: I remember the brother.

Burley Williams: Yeah. The families, the families get that all tobacco in your home.

Spend time with your children. Don’t let youth camp become your babysitter. Amen. He sent him to youth camp fine, but when he come home from the youth camp, don’t just say, Oh, you’re back. Nope, baby. What happened? What did you learn? What did God say to you? Follow up on it. You don’t see followups no more.

I’m glad though kid go. I got five days. You ain’t got to worry about them. No, no, no.

Luis Urrego: Yeah. If a parent has that type of attitude, there’s something wrong with him or her. They need an experience. They either, once they need to go to the youth,

Burley Williams: you got to get that home structure. Cause you got to go back with the pattern. No. So design is to destroy families. He started in the head and mission with God family. He come down to earth mess with Adam family, and now he’s doing the same thing today. He’s doing the same thing today, that family structure.

And I say this all the time, but Lewis churches get strong families up into the word conduct, going to be the strength of the family, the strength of the family, having the ride influence. But, but abandon said the success of the church is to preach another gospel, but we do got family that are pillars.

Amen solid. And that just helped me. He goes to church and his strength in his church. Somebody, somebody that we can look up to look up to a solid copper, being a true example, all these things, people need to see character. And then you see that life and the pillars of the church.

Luis Urrego: Absolutely. Well, the scripture teaches them brother Burley.

I believe it’s in Timothy where it talks about that. The young, the young women teach the younger ones and so forth. See the people in the congregation should be willing to even help even those younger, the younger ones that are spiritual. Don’t leave all the work just for the pastor for the deacon, but that goes back into the home life as well.

Brother Burley is, it’s so sad that either there’s even parents that do not even know how to hold a devotional with their, with their kids or with their

Burley Williams: family,

Luis Urrego: they don’t even know. Well, they don’t even know what to start, how to do it doesn’t necessarily need to be that you have to preach or anything as such, because that’s the first thing they think, Oh, I got to preach.

No, share your, share your experience. Your experience with them, ask them questions. That’s exactly right. It’ll it’ll lead, it’ll lead to one thing to the other. It’ll make them thirsty. you know, with my, with my daughter’s brother Burley, I’ll tell you what the Dom’s that we’ve had the best, Devotional time.

It wasn’t that we spent an hour listening to a brother, brother Branham’s tape a tape of brother Branham’s or anything. Right. I like that because that’ll just weary them out. And I have a thing right there with that as well, you know, but it’s actually sitting down talking about the word, asking them questions, and then they come back and ask you questions and it just makes a conversation just flows that it will bring things in their life that it’ll never.

They’ll never forget that again. Not that you shouldn’t listen to the tapes. Not that you shouldn’t listen to the tapes. I’m not saying that. And I hope that nobody misunderstands me regardless. You need to listen to the tapes, but, but, but you have to also be mindful that there are kids, there’s kids.

They’re not going to be sitting there an hour, hour and 30 minutes. You know, listen, they’re not going to do it, but they’ll listen to you. They’ll listen to you as their mommy and daddy.

Burley Williams: And then too, sometimes you say, Hey, I want you to listen to a certain message. Listen to that. You have to, you know this, okay.

And they’ll do it. They say, what did you get? Let’s talk about what you heard. Sometimes that helps to so many different things. And I do believe that every family got their own structure and shouldn’t have one anyway, how to work with their children. They don’t really do, because I just remember back in the day, I hope my son ain’t locked.

Some dude. My son, he’s on the right track now, but sometimes they start asking you a question

Luis Urrego: real quick for the Burley, just cause I hadn’t said you have, you have three children, correct?

Burley Williams: I have five.

Luis Urrego: You have five?

Burley Williams: Yeah,

Luis Urrego: that’s right. That’s right.

Burley Williams: Yeah. I got five. Youngest is 26. 26 baby girl,

Luis Urrego: hate and brother barely don’t even look that old.

Burley Williams: That’s a compliment.

Luis Urrego: Berlin. Berlin is really well.

Burley Williams: That’s a compliment.

Luis Urrego: Well, brother Burley, you’ve been a grandfather now for several years,

Burley Williams: you’ve got five grandbabies,

Luis Urrego: five grandbabies.

Burley Williams: Send them back to you.

Luis Urrego: How many daughters and how many boys is

Burley Williams: it that you have? I got three boys, two girls, three boys, two, his daughter.

I appreciate her. I love her. And I like the statement that she told her mama years ago. And I use it a lot at youth meetings. She said, a boy got four boys. He come to me, he got to go through my father and, and, and, and I teach these things because rather little bit of a little Louisa, so much disrespect.

Now, even young boys around this message, Kevin with me and daughters. Without their consent and this and sale. I took all of that authority of parents away, actually texting each other and all that kind of stuff. I believe when it comes to this message, brother, people gotta be young man. Need to be very respectful.

You ain’t even living right yourself. You shouldn’t even be trying to talk to a man daughter. That’s right. But if you were born again yourself and you know, you are, and you got out your heart, I believe God take care of that. Supernaturally. He’ll bring those things together. Well, I got a bad problem with people, right?

Passing parents, children, doing things, the parents not even worrying about it. I got a serious problem with that. It’s not right. It won’t prosper. And it’s very disrespectful. God don’t gave us this truth. He don’t gave us guidelines. If you want to hit the marriage, happy life, you follow what the prophet of God said with God.

Certain it breaks things down. You’ll have a good life. That don’t mean you ain’t gonna have problems. Do things rightfully and respectfully. You know, some of me people ask questions sometimes. So I had one boy, actually one time and I won’t, I was in a certain country and, he come to me. He said, I want to ask you some as a way, is that he said I got two girls in my mind.

That I like, he’s what should I do? Wow. To us. Can I ask you a question? I said, how many brides do Christ got in his life? He said, what? That’s what we want you to let that be your example. I said to me, you double-minded Neville. I told him, I said you can’t have two people. You planning on getting married.

How are you going to have two girls in your mind?

Right. I understand what in court should be is I said, when you don’t pray and you feel like God don’t smoke, be your heart. This girl could beat. It could be the one you need to put everything else out of the way and then go buy things the right way. Talk to your pastor, talk to the parent and praise him.

This is the will of the Lord. I said, really that what you’re doing is not right. It’s not right at all and deal. What made it even worse. After I left, I got a message from that country. It was two sisters that he liked him. That made it even worse. Wow. And it’s actually Louisville. Louis. I know you noticed, look even around the message now in the statistics of marriage, young people, they’re lucky if the marriage lasts eight, eight months.

Cause what they hear, they jumping into something they’re not praying about it and, not right themselves. You find sometimes you can find some young people got the Holy spirit. Well, let their flesh override on their decisions and then get involved with the wrong one. Yeah. And this, cause you gotta remember, even with being a believer, you can have the Holy spirit.

God can put all kinds of stopping blocks right in front of you, but you keep pushing them. Here’s the, okay, you’re going to repeat yourself. And I’ve seen that happen by Lewis. That’s why, you know, even at camp meetings down, every chance I get preached, I go right down that line. Dealing with young man being a man don’t disrespect.

Another man, don’t play with girls feeling so many young people are so crushed around the message now because this girl don’t have some boy play with her feelings and he went mad, left her alone. Now with her friend, now they crushed cut it down. That was the only boy on the face of the earth. It’s all kinda of crazy stuff, brother.

And they missing the first thing. First thing they need to be married to is Christ.

Luis Urrego: That’s exactly. To realize

Burley Williams: hurts.

Luis Urrego: Yeah. Realize that you’re not married. You’re not marrying one, but you should be married. You should be marrying two and that’s Christ. And in your broad. You say there should be three in the, in the relationship, but Christ be the center.

don’t they, but, but brother Burley. And that’s one of the things that you are, you, you also very well known for is talking about courtship and things as such. I mean, you have, you have children that have that, you know, you had your own daughters and your own. And your son as well. And so you, you, you have experience in these areas, but I think brother Burley, that really, that just falls back, back again to the, how the children are, how the children is raised, you know, and how those kids are raised and what they’re taught from their parents, you know, I mean, if, if a kid or if a guy does trust to do everything that he can to make sure that he gets to the girl without going to the

Burley Williams: dad, you

Luis Urrego: CA I mean, a young man that has fully really been taught that by his parents or by his dad.

I don’t think that that’s something that he would do. I mean, Even if he hasn’t gotten the new birth date. I mean, not, you know, brother, barely I come from, it’s, it’s it’s respect. I come from from a third world country. I’m from Columbia. That is just common sense. There’s those are just common sense things, but in the world that we’re living in and how much more when you’re a Christian filled with the Holy ghost.

I, and you just, you, you, you, you do it even more, but even in the world that we’re living in today, brother Burley, because of technology, because I can send text messages and, and, and, and, and I don’t have to, you know, it’s completely changed. There’s a total disrespect.

Burley Williams: Yeah. They got these phones in their hand and they do the texting.

But what they don’t realize about texting, you’re building a relationship doing it.

Luis Urrego: Yeah, absolutely.

Burley Williams: She caught the girl. I said, all the time a woman is moved by what she hears a man is moved by what he sees. And he doing all that texting. Then all of a sudden, when he realized he got it, he said, now I want to talk to your dad.

Cause he knows now she gonna fight for it. And she gonna say, daddy, he’s different. No, he’s not, no different than the rest of them. He just don’t gotten God in your spirit.

Luis Urrego: You know, he’s. You know, he’s not because of the way he started up with

Burley Williams: you. It’s not right. It’s

Luis Urrego: that right? Go ahead, brother. Brother, you just got to say something

Burley Williams: now.

Now this is a strong statement to even run around and say that before you can have juvenile delinquency, it gotta be parent delinquency first. So they’re going to still go back to family life. His mom and daddy don’t have a structure. The children don’t see a bond in between them too. It’s going to mess the children up.

That’s

Luis Urrego: right.

Burley Williams: I said this many years, but then Louise, give me a little girl, just ran on three, four years old. Just let me watch her play a baby to play with a baby dog. You’ll see what goes on in the house. She going to express it in the dog. What goes on in the house? Yeah, they’ll do it. Cause they’ll do that boy wheel too.

He’ll express it. Sure. It starts at home and parents, even around this message, some of us, we just need to just be honest, we don’t get caught up. We’re so busy working all these hours and stuff and we just left the family neglected. Yeah. But it gotta be that sacrifice to deal with the family. Cause I believe like the prophet said.

He said, even your house should be a house. He says to the Cod book, your house should be a place where your children would love to bring their friends, bringing the friends over should be in your house. Daly said about semi when, when the angel of God visit semi he’s. The reason why the angel visited.

Cause he had an atmosphere at his home where the angel, he said, what about us? Do you have an atmosphere in your home where the angels come and visit you? Oh, you got to remember what he said to brother he’s let me see what you posted on your wall. He’s out. It made no different what you tell me. I just see you got pictures and stuff, hanging all over your walls.

If we look back and say, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you gotta remember now Facebook, when you post something, that’s a wall. So what are you posting on that wall? It still tells what’s going

Luis Urrego: on him. Absolutely. It’s something that you’re sharing and that, that, that you wanted you, you’re making it public.

Burley Williams: So

Luis Urrego: very,

Burley Williams: very, I love predictor to the young people and they actually goes back to my testimony, the reason why I’m family origin. And I love to deal with young people because there’s something I didn’t have in my life. I know the pain of not having parents. I know the pain. And do you need to cleanse me when I see children have parents and just disrespect them.

And I always try to tell them, look, you might not agree with everything they say or do, but you respect and we’ll be thankful they’re alive. It’s because when they’re gone, it’s like guilty hope, but that’s something I never, I never had. I didn’t get the hair. And my goal teak. It really helped me see what man who it is really is.

He really, really did. He really helped me see that. So my OT ministry, what made me what I am today, not him as a mayor, his ministry, listen to it. I listened to that so well, and it made me a better man, the word deed, make me what I am today, because I didn’t know how to treat my wife. She didn’t know how to treat me.

Me and her were talking just the other day. So the verdict, Oh shit. I didn’t even know how to cook. I said, yeah, you sure did. Literally forget, man. I told my wife, we can joke about these pain now. That’s I thought you thought I wasn’t altered. It’s cause you gave me a lot of burn off things. She’s the burden of food all the time.

We laugh about those things now, but I’m a living example for the way that her and I grew up in Kane. Look what the word made us today. We’re examples of that, right? How much more now for the young people. Raised up in this mess. Let that word take control of your life. And many, many, and another thing, Luis, curiosity is killing a lot.

All the young people, they are curious about certain things. You never believe ceremony, drugs, but, I had some come to the ultra brother on drugs and the pastor never knew. And it was so crucial. I had to talk to the past because you got to be kidding. Not that when I said yes, that’s exactly right, bro.

And people got struggles in life, but what they need their real life, this message is for total deliverance, not for him. Wait Christian life. God wants you to be like the prophecy. You can be half if you want to, but that’s not. God’s perfect. Will he want us to be totally delivered? And I believe. That’s what this message come for total delivery.

So any habits, any things, you know, like this message, take it right out and that’ll be a testimony. Hey man, I tried and young people, cause some young people have messed up in the message, lost their virginity. I know that, but I still try to encourage them. I try to encourage Dan, you got something haven’t done those things, but struggling one.

The, what is it like? You have some day ain’t really done nothing. And then the dad would be like, you’re missing something, you’re missing something. And then they get condemned and they own heart for nothing to say, I don’t have no testimony. I said, yes, you do. I said, you got a testimony. God kept me from doing it.

Luis Urrego: And I said,

Burley Williams: you ugly, you probably fail, but you got a testimony, diary storage. I just still, both of us is a testimony.

Luis Urrego: Amen.

Burley Williams: Because look at it right hand, man. Right. How about the testimony look where she come from and look what she became has a testimony.

Luis Urrego: Lowest

Burley Williams: he’s a genealogy. They put the bad women that seem to be bad

Luis Urrego: right out of that lineage came Christ,

Burley Williams: Christ.

I agree. And another thing, but a Luis with all of the questions and things that’s going on too. As a pastor, I deal with them probably with my church, but I believe if people would put something in their heart in the spirit, you remember the message come to take us everything back to be original. That’s what it comes to do.

Some things are messed up, but still you have the intent to take things back to the region. To me, that’s one of the keystones of the message. And another thing I just preached this in Columbia recently, I say, I believe another thing that’s been missing in the message. You miss what it says. It couldn’t have turned hearts, turn our hearts.

That’s what it comes to do. As a, for me, it turned their heads, not in their hearts, liquid area today. That’s right. What’s been going on at Newburgh brother. It’s this the only thing you want to keep

Luis Urrego: us. Yeah. Do you have to be, you have to be born again and then born again when you’re born again, it’s Christ molding the stature of a perfect man in you because those things are, they have to be, they have to come from the Holy ghost first and it be molding you and molding you and molding you and scaling.

Burley Williams: And

Luis Urrego: that’s the only way that you’re going to scale up the statue of a perfect man until finally, you know, we get out of here and get that body change, you know? That’s the goal that we all have for the early. So we have several, several people still listening and brother Burley, they’re still tuned in or the Burley.

And we are almost up here too. Two hours. We got, we got 11. Can you spare 11 more minutes, brother? Burley, 11. Okay. And then, and then, but I just wanted to say hello to some of these people, on SMO. I’m a Bellini. God bless you. Thank you for tuning in and listening. Charity Brown sister charity.

God bless you. Sister charity, greet brother Keith there for us. And, she says true. She says true brother, barely Dorian page. God bless brother. Early watching from South Africa. Okay. So, So God bless you, brother. Dorian. Thank you again. if you have a question or anything else, or just your comment, you know, more than likely to, we’re more than glad to have, give it to brother, give to brother Burley, but Justin finishing up brother Purley.

what are, let me ask you this. What are you, what are you most excited about right now as the believer?

Burley Williams: what I’m excited about as a believer. all these things that’s happening now that I have peace and I haven’t rest and it’s not driving me crazy. And we know these things what’s going to happen.

These pain was going to come. People are shocked now because they’re not keeping up with prophecy. And, I’m excited rather because. I guess another biggest excitement. I got my sanity because it goes back with better battery said about Martin. It wasn’t that. I mean, it wasn’t that he Luther that it wasn’t any protest and all of that, but he’s able to keep his sanity amongst everything that’s going on.

And that’s my excitement, but a Lewis, I can have clear thinking. I sound mind, but all of this going on, because if we even look at it, With even all of this happening, it’s testing us to see how anxious and excited we’re going to jump too quick. Or are we going to just wait and say, let’s see what God is saying about this,

Luis Urrego: right?

Burley Williams: Because think, look at all these things are being posted on. Now everybody want to figure out and break it down. What it is, you can get so much caught up in the debt and you forget about salvation. Forget about what God is doing now. He’s still saving souls. People getting baptized people still growing and they can focus on all the other negative stuff.

Oh, look what they got. Look, what is God doing right now? And you remember the story, brother, Brandon, but abandon towed. he said that, I think it, it was a kingdom. I believe it was ought to know what rest and peace was. People start giving him all this stuff, showing them to us. And then somebody painted a picture of a bird that was in a storm.

He’s a not Desus Frist. That’s peace that rain dripping down with that bird was in his little nest in the midst of that storm. And I think that’s where the bride of Jesus Christ. She shouldn’t worry, even though that spirit comes, but he said, I’ll never leave. You never forsake you. We shouldn’t worry. We ought to be trusting him that we’re in it.

We’re in his hand a lot of times people think because they going through something, they don’t have faith. But they really need to go look at Hebrews 11. Again, you gotta remember when you read Hebrews 11, it tells you what they stopped, stopped the out in line quick. Violet received the babies from there, and then it jumped right down and song was solid Sunday.

You know, that one that was solid a Sunday had just as much faith as the one that was in there. And thanks. Faith sometimes stops you from going through something, but the same faith, keep you, are you going through it? It’s not a thing. Is this happening? How could I have faith? I said, no, you got faith. God is doing keeping you through it.

We ought to be the most encouraged people in the face of desert, bro, because we see, we see it. Brother, Brandon, Paul, John, the Baptist ZQ. Any of them. God was the reason right now in this day, they’ll be in jail within the hour. Cause they’ll be blasting everything, but this is what I see. This is what I see.

They’ll be in jail because we are seeing what they would love to see. The Bible speaks about that. What the prophets decide to see you or not. We are seeing it.

Luis Urrego: We are seeing it at this very moment, brother. Barely. Yup. They, the Bible says they desired to see this day. We should be the happiest people in the world is, you know, times are hard and things can get difficult.

But when Christ is in you they’re there. That should be that inner joy that manifests on the outside and brother burly. And, and the fact that we can have a sound mind in this hour. That that right there, brother barely. And you said, well, that, that gives, that gives, that just makes you feel comfortable in, in him.

You know, not that life is going to be comfortable, but you’re comfortable in him. Amen.

Burley Williams: And happiness. That means you’re going to have a smile on your face every day, but you have joy in your heart. That’s right. It deprecates take that. Can’t take that. And now I just like to encourage the people. You got to press on.

And that’s what I actually preached a little to Sunday breaking atmospheres. And, when all time people don’t understand about atmosphere. I got that thought from there’s a man here to turn on the light. He said, when God spoke in Genesis, the spoken word, he said, God used the spoken word to break through that darkness.

He said, we ought to be able to use that smoke and word to break through any spirit of unbelief and what many don’t realize. They create atmosphere. And by the way, they think, and the things they say, they create atmospheres. You get thinking about negative stuff. You don’t create an atmosphere, not even living in it.

You live in it. Like they said, a deer looking and staring at him like you, but you don’t create that atmosphere, which you got to come out of there and let that word because it’s the description that I use. But Louise is when the woman touched the hem of his garment. I said, we always talk about.

Protesting to him of his garment, but you will think about the atmosphere she was in. It was congested. It was terrible. People pressing elbow to elbow. That’s about, she was able to push away the atmosphere of the press and all the elbows. The, she was able to push that away to get these.

Luis Urrego: And

Burley Williams: I believe we can do the same thing.

All this atmosphere, negativity, brother. We can crush the Ramal debt with all of my heart.

Luis Urrego: Absolutely.

Burley Williams: But you have it, his brother, anytime you want to do it again, bro. Ima well, I can make myself available.

Luis Urrego: I remember that really well. Thank you very much for taking your time to be here with us. What is, what, how can people, where’s where’s your church located and how maybe how can people, reach, reach

Burley Williams: slope between, Anderson South Carolina in Greenville, South Carolina?

Well, closer to Greenville though. We right off the main interstate, interstate 85. And we’re kind kinda out then when you’ve been there right down in the land of nowhere, but people find it

Luis Urrego: grieve Greenville and Anderson are my, are my first homes. I know them like the back of my hand, but, but, yeah, they’re right there.

I believe it’s exit 32. Exit 32 where they can got up or if you’re on an 85, and you can get off that exit and brother Burley’s, church’s not too far from that exit. So, but I will put, I will put his information for his church there, at the bottom of the video and, and, their pertinent information.

And then, and you’d be able to fund if you’re ever in the area by the burly would sure love to have you. Come visit and listen to the word of God. So where the barely anything else? Last words before we sign off?

Burley Williams: Nope, I’m done, but I just appreciate you having me. I really do. And keep it up then. All right.

Luis Urrego: Keep it up. Well, thank you brother. The Burley. God bless you all. And thank you all for, for having tuned in, this, this is this, this will be recorded or this was recorded so you can watch the replay if you want. And, it’ll be posted there on, on Facebook. It’ll be on YouTube as well. And you’ll also be on our website on 10,000 worlds.

the number 10, the letter K the word world’s dot com. You can see it right there, written on the screen. And, as well as this will be turned into a podcast as well, if you’re subscribed to our podcast. So brother Burley, once again, God bless you. Thank you. Once again for being with us.

Burley Williams: If they have any questions, they come to you go to Lewis.

You can get back with me. We can deal with by God’s grace.

Luis Urrego: All right, sounds good.

Burley Williams: All right, God bless you.

Luis Urrego: God bless you, brother. Barely you take care now.

Burley Williams: You too. Bye bye.

Luis Urrego: Alright everybody. Well, brother Burley has signed off. So I got one more minute here. I thank you each and every one of you for having tuned in, and I hope that something was said that, that would, that bless you and that you learned something and that, and that, something that, I will help you grow more in the stature of the perfect man or in the stature of the Lord.

Jesus Christ, a sister, Roseanne Campbell. God bless you. she said this was absolutely wonderful brothers. God bless you. Thank you so much, sister Roseanne, and, sister or brother Dorian page. again, God bless brothers. Amen. Each and every one of you. sister Deana, Burdette. God bless you, brother.

Burley’s sister. Dana is my sister, in the flesh. So, but, I didn’t get to say that to, to, to the re barely there, but, God bless each and every one of you that tuned into this love, interview. So with that, I’m going to sign off and, thank you once again for tuning in. And I hope each and every one of you all have a good night.

God bless you, sister Noemi cannon. How nice to spend the evening watching this? What encouragement? Well, I hope it was. I hope, I hope it was an encouragement to you. We have many other, interviews lined up, here in the next few weeks, some in Spanish with some Spanish speaking brothers, some in English.

And so you just pray for us, as we endeavor to just be a blessing to the bride of Christ and to people, around the world. So may God bless you all take care and good night to each and every one of you.

Luis Urrego: All right. And there you have it. We appreciate you taking the time to listen to this, interview with brother Burley Williams. We really appreciated him taking the time to be with us for that length of time, but the conversation was good as you heard. So we, we just appreciate him very much and an actress that you would pray for him in his, in his little church there and his ministry.

And, I just, I really had a wonderful time and. The feedback that we received, there was a lot of people that were blessed by the, by this little interview that we had together, this little fireside, fireside chat, I guess you could call it, but we just thank God for allowing us that opportunity. So with that, we’re going to leave you until the next episode.

We trust that you, raise. Which was that you would receive a blessing and, and we trust that you would have a wonderful rest of your day, a wonderful rest of your afternoon, evening, wherever you are. And once again, thank you for tuning in may, God richly bless you. And remember that everything that you do, don’t neglect your soul because remember your soul is worth 10,000 worlds.

So may God bless you until next episode, take care.